did i said anything about the 2a7v ?
any Abrams is free rp so all all leopards (except maybe strv’s 122 and the new 2a7v)
Meanwhile i either suck at aiming or t80bvm got a insivible spall liner added to the “no handout” version
You replied to a dude who replied to a comment about the 2A7V, so yes it’s not exactly unreasonable to assume you might have been talking about the 2A7V.
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well my bad then just saw his comment and answered to it
sorry :(
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Make a bug report about this actually
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ah you mean the hull armor that has worse stats then the base leopard 2a4 ?
yes
ah you mean when you guys complained that the m1 needs m833 and m900 ? Also yes :)
And yes the 2a7v is better then the new added sep
but still not close to what it should be and right now we sit in the same boat :)
We show proof (without leaking stuff) tank X should have that amount of armor
and the answer we mostly get is :
Gajooble : NOOO can’t do
or
maybe,
could be
i don’t know :D
Fact check false: M1A2 SEP v2 got updated turret armor!
… It lost ~100mm of armor on the turret sides composite piece
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You’re going to say you’ve been stuck with the same hull protection for every new Leo variant that has been introduced? There are big differences between the 2A4 and later models.
Whereas the from M1IP to include the SEPs are the exact same for us. Despite it being historically inaccurate.
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my mistake i’m rather tired when i visit the forum and do some oopsis here and there
well something new learned sorry :D
didn’t wanted to summon you here lol :D
Name A few tanks that are in the game (not ww2 coldwar or smt more like abrams leotards etc) that don’t have those inaccurate “features”
there more then enough Frankenstein tanks ingame :D
No, you just talked about a lot of things that dodged the point that you’ve received improved hull protection on later variants, unlike the Abrams. You put all the words there while trying to claim the situation is the same. It isn’t.
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Guys, guys… Can we just agree that most if not all NATO tanks are gimped AF and that we’d like to see them more accurately modeled?
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When I saw SEP would not receive its 250% better CE turret side protection, I gave up on it :))
Best, it was a primary source lol.
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Stop fighting each other, for one this is the M1A2 thread, not the 2A7 or 2A4 whatever, but also we all agree that they are gatekeeping the capabilities of both nations, now who gets it worse doesn’t matter this ain’t a competition, at the end of the day we all have to face the same T90M and T80BVM unicorn fest.
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As far as I know, no.
Might be worth a bug report, it’s clear to see tbey are stacked 4 high and it should offer better KE protection.
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It’s pointless because that doesn’t affect the performance of the armor, they just have the equivalent amount of armor value, the angle of attack of the smaller 3D models isn’t considered, they behave like a vertical block of ERA.
ARAT-19 should however offer KE protection, but good luck on proving that to Gaijin.
Can anyone help me confirm if the Abrams fuel tank bulkheads over the driver area are 19mm in real life too? Because according to this they’re 25.4mm (1 inch) thick, in game it’s also missing the frontal part of the fuel tanks.
The fuel tanks should provide 25.4mm + 25.4mm instead of 19mm in game.
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M1 Abrams fuel tanks bulkheads over the driver area.
Left: Correct fuel tanks bulkheads.
Right: In game fuel tanks bulkheads.
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Actually, you are accusing me of doing what you have done. The original point was that you’ve actually received updated protection, both on turret and hulls. You had to go and qualify it and do all the mental gymnastics. The Abrams has been denied historical protection improvements, in both turret and hull, while the Leos have had upgrades since the 2A4. Not sure why you felt the need to start talking about the 2A4 not being what you want it to be, but okay. You had multiple turret and hull improvements while you actively fought historical upgrades for the Abrams.
I corrected you on that, and you got upset and started talking about why the upgrades you DID get weren’t holding your hand hard enough. The L is entirely yours. :D
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