The m1a1 was a direct armor upgrade from the m1, the m1a1 and stock m1a2 share the same turret both irl and in game. for the 11.0 m1a1 to fight tanks 40 years ahead of its time with better armor, ammo, and mobility is just unfair. I’m proposing bringing it down to 10.7 or just giving it m829a2 since that’s the round it served with. To help it compete just give it the good round so it can have something to have in a up tier.
ps. the m1a1 has the same turret effectiveness of the m1.
R2, we need more decompression, not more compression!
Most 11.7s need to go to 13.7, others, to 13.3; most 11.3s need to be 12.7-13.0, etc… and M1A1 should be around 12.0, on the new system where the peak would be 13.7.
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M1 is the first one.
M1A1, and IPM1 are armor upgrades.
M1A1 HC, and M1A2 are armor upgrades above those.
M1A1 is good at 11.0, easily deals with all 11.7s with a bit of a challenge.
M1A1 is effectively a better Ariete when in 11.7 matches.
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You can check ingame M1A1 turret doesn’t have same armor effectiveness as M1 Abrams.
M829A2 would likely get it higher BR which we don’t need.
What we need is BR decompression.
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Furthermore, M1A1 didn’t even use M829A2 in real life as OP says hahah
M1A1s (1984) used M829A1 (1988) at most.
By the time M829A2 (1994) was put in service, all baseline M1A1s (1984) had been phased out and/or upgraded to HC/HA (1988) /A2 (1992) / SEP (1999+) standards already.
During Desert Storm for example (1990-1991), the shell used by M1A1s and M1A1HCs was M829A1, known as “Silver Bullet”.
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False.
False.
T-64A fights tanks 50 years ahead of it’s time.
Plenty of tanks do (and that’s fine) because this game isn’t about historical match-ups.
This game balances vehicles around performance, not service dates. I’d suggest to play a different game that does focus on historical matchups if that’s what you’re looking for.
In the meantime, the M1A1 at 11.0 is among the best MBT’s of any nation across the entire game, it’s monstrously powerful.
Because having the IPM1 and M1A1 at 10.7 worked out so well last time:
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nuh uhhhh all should have base Abrams turret and hull values, since we dont know the exact MM of armor protection. But seriously whats bad is the M1A1/IPM1 did receive enhanced composite upgrades, M1A1 HC received 1st Gen DU inserts with improved composites in the hull, M1A2 received 2nd Gen DU inserts (not sure on the hull but would imagine further enhancements), then M1A2 SEP received Gen 3 DU inserts in the turret and recieved the last of the composite hull packages. Everything after is speculation but SEPV3 has DU in the hulls so gimme.
It doesn’t. The M1A1’s turret armor is only 10mm less effective on average than the IPM1. Compare that to the M1 Abrams at 10.3 and the M1A1 has around 50-60mm extra turret protection.
M1 Abrams Turret Armor
M1A1 Turret Armor
IPM1 Turret Armor
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Which ones?
Even in full +1 BR uptiers to 10.3, this is what it can face at most:
Leopard 2A4: 1979 (8 years)
M1: 1979 (8 years)
Challenger Mk.3: 1983 (12 years)
So… which tank “50 years ahead of its time” does it face?
For it (1971) to face tanks “50 years ahead of its time”, it would need to face 2021 tanks. Which 2021 tank does it face?
The T-64A is virtually identical to a 1968 model, the year the T-64A was introduced, the Type 16 and Puma both have a service date of around 2015.
I also didn’t specifically calculate the exact gap, the point is that various vehicles fight other vehicles that are many decades newer/older.
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