Here we go again, people claiming something isn’t or doesn’t fulfill the specific roles that a light tank performed cause “it’s too heavy” therefore it has the same armor as the Papa’s and the Mama’s.
M24 Chaffee *Laughing in the background knowing its armor was roughly around the same. For its period.
you dont get it do you?
Well, imo you’re just being petulant and I’m not going to let you goad me into an argument so you can flag me, then get on your alt acct and flag me again leading to a forum ban…sorry.
What’s your source? Reminder: the stanag level +- specified for a vehicle from a customer is used as a baseline requirement.
In which war is the PUMA under performing in?
I think the point is its not a light tank in the way light tanks are viewed or used in the game. Its no faster than a full MBT and has similar power to weight if the current stats are to be believed.
Its never been designed to face off against other tanks without infantry support like it will in the game either so we have a fundamental problem before the thing is even in the game.
Stand by for more cries of Russian bias.
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Statement from the army recognition website-
“The vehicle incorporates components and systems from the ASCOD armored tracked vehicle platform fully designed and developed by GDELS (General Dynamics European Land Systems). The M10 Booker vehicle is fitted with additional armor panels and under-vehicle protection against improvised explosive devices (IEDs).”
Which portion of this statement specifically states armor values? “Additional armor panels”basically means- they added more armor but they can’t disclose the exact protection values. You assuming it’s total armor protection is nonsense.
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What war is the M10 Booker struggling in? Exactly none. The Puma IFV is struggling due to poor logistics. Germany has been dealing with this for years and has stated numerous times that they are not prepared for a proper war as of right now. Their underequipped, and poorly trained for an offensive engagement as much of their equipment was modified or designed for a defensive one.
All of Germany’s vehicles suffer from poor logistics yet they have one of the best high tier tanks in the game. You don’t know how good the PUMA is until it sees combat. You’re just making assumptions to fit your narrative. I’m making assumptions based on its weight and size. That’s it. It could be a giant weak POS…… but I highly doubt its armor resembles a light tank.
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Iran is the logistical and tactical nightmare for NATO I have that one good authority from a former intelligence officer I work for. Maybe its made for a war to come. It might be made for the possibility of major civil unrest in the USA who knows.
It seems too heavy and too expensive for the export market but either way it’s for troop support and to be supported by troops. Seems like a poor warthunder candidate but then so does the M109 on paper.
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Where the heck did you find this? I’m still amazed at some of your outrageous claims you’re posting on here as if it’s a fact.
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It’s basic common sense dude, not a narrative. The fact you want to make a half-baked assumption that the M10 magically has protection such as the M1A1 or M1A2 Abrams Tanks already says a lot.
Hell, this entire discussion just keeps going since you want to defend your empty claim. By making simple assumptions.
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Look at the variation on YouTube in terms of info given.10 million per unit cost or 13 million per unit, that’s a three million difference depending on whose film you watch ,800BHP or 1000 bhp, so much conflicting info.
Looks like these videos are made by kids with superior video editing skills and no military knowledge. If people are using those as info then no wonder we have such debates.
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You’re not shutting me down. You’re afraid I’m right and this could potentially be a well armored vehicle to battle whatever nation you play. This is only a discussion on “what if” because we don’t know. All your fake news replies show your desperation to keep the m10 booker down as a light-easy to kill vehicle.
I’ve already stated that it could potentially be a lightly armored vehicle. But in my opinion I don’t see how that could be true. MY OPINION.
https://www.bmlv.gv.at/truppendienst/ausgaben/artikel.php?id=1251
(The last website/source belongs to the Bundesheer, i.e the Austrian Armed Forces).
Ulan uses the same chassis as M10 (well, for the most part, it’s ASCOD 1 vs ASCOD 2, but the protection between the two remains identical), it is only protected in its base configuration against 14.5 HMG AP from 500 meters. As I’ve said already, the uparmoured the vehicle to a degree, but you shouldn’t be expecting it to have good armour.
In which war is the PUMA under performing in?
All of those.
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Yes, unfortunately YouTube can contribute to some misinformation. When it comes to USA military classified info- it’s an even more unreliable source.
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Again, we got another guy making assumptions.
For example:
If i bought a Toyota Camry from the dealership and then I immediately took it to my house and added/welded “armor panels” to the outside of it, how would you know if I added enough armor to protect it against a 9mm round or .50 BMG round based off that statement? Dumb example but I’m tired of explaining this. You wouldnt know unless I told you exactly how much armor I added. You’re just making an assumption. We don’t know how many panels were added or thickness of the additional panels. The weight is estimated- We don’t even know the exact weight.
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Afraid. I’ve been honest this entire time. This is amusing. I’m getting entertainment out of this. Cause all I hear is nothing-burgers.
The armchair experts know and they also know how the M10 will perform against the latest Russian armour in direct confrontation like they do with the M1 even though its never met any in history.
I guess this is why US at top tier performs as badly as it does. Welp, had fun, @SinisterIsRandom wanna take over again? :P