In which Gaijin refused to accept as a source, they actually did accept 5 tanks having DU and they did not do anything about it.
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all of this stuff has been posted on the forums before. None of what im posting is new.
Well technically we don’t have one of those test tanks in game, and actually we don’t even have a M1A1 HA in game, just HC which didn’t have DU hull.
But in terms of missing Abram’s armor, there are lots of “game play” accommodating errors like the still lacking top fuel cell plates, the x0.5 side hull armor or the turret ring neck which is not volumetric and the too low LOS turret cheeks ex.
Start with complaining about that if you think it needs a buff instead of a test hull armor from the 1980s that the US didn’t adopt broadly.
I was just curious what he showed you.
You made it seem like you were given some new sources.
Would be refreshing to see.
nothing except the M1A1 HA had D.U Hulls, oh and that no Russian Ammo in warthunder has a chance at penetrating the Turret of any of the sep models lol
Gaijin need to be consistent. If Abrams/Leopard turret basket create spall when they’re being penetrated by APFSDS then Auto-loader module and such should also create spall when they’re being penetrated.
In turn if Abrams/Leopard turret basket could catch spall and not create spall (or create them but a lot less) then Auto-loader should also be treat the same.
Make it fair and reasonable.
Also a bit off-topic on DU armor , spall liner. take it to DM so Admin don’t reason have to lock this.
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It does spall, unless I’m incorrect. They should also make the autoloader arm separate from the carousel; you get shot anywhere in the turret and your autloader is broken, which is completely unfair.
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They are consistent but the issue is the model, cause autoloaders have a very complex model which kinda blocks the spall it creates, and half of the time the tank is dead one shot and no one bothers with the spall then. Just to note, the Gaijin simplified the model of the baskets so they do not catch spall, but it was by community request.
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The basket should simply not spall imo. It’s a wire mesh no more than 2mm thick, it will be vaporised by the APFSDS/heat jet instead of spalling.
Gaijin also gives thin steel plates no spall modifiers usually, but somehow here we’ve got an exception (well duh, it nerfs the two most popular MBT models).
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I also noticed that, not just with these two tanks. Its across the board. Some light vehicles simply don’t spall. Others with equally thin armor spall like its a full armor array with lotsa material spalling out.
The craziest example is likely the FlarakRad container. Its 5mm contructional steel, a dart should just pass through that. But ingame it spalls like crazy. In an extent that you’d ask where all the material is coming from…cause its just 5mm…
Also the rather thin side armor plates at Leopard and Abrams tanks spall far too much imho. It looks a bit strange how much material is spalling out of these thin plates.
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As 141 allen said auto-loader could create spall but it also block the spall it creates . not to mention ammo that could also eat spall
All i’m asking is that Turret basket and auto-loader should be treat the same
Yep Turret basket and auto-loader should be treat the same way. But as we’ve seen Turret basket was likely to create more spall.
IIRC Gaijin model whole turret baskets as turret drive. So community request that they should separate them from turret ring. So gaijin remodel them into new one we have . Not that we ask them to make turret baskets unable to block spall and still create more spall.
That goes for every tank in the game
Yes but irl ammo propellant getting hit it would be lethal / catastrophic kill 99% of time.
All i’m asking Gaijin is that if auto-loader + ammo can get hit but still could block spall then turret basket should also do the same.
Make it fair .
Sure, but I’d rather them refine the autoloader module and turret basket module first.
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There are parts that aren’t even metal, namely the nylon mesh on some of the Leopard’s basket that somehow spall like RHA or the plastic revisors on the M1.
I was not aware that fabric and plastic bottles could generate lethal spall.
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sure, model the arm as an autoloader and the carousel as a horizontal drive.
realistically that has a much higher chance of jamming the turret if hit than the extremely thin turret basket
HC is a suitable tank to get DU.
or SEP or SEP V2 for balance
or just buff the hull of M1 to like 500mm ke something
AIM for sure have 500+mm ke hull
SEP and SEP V2 likely has it if not more
SEP V3 definitely does
M1A1 hull should be marginally better than M1 hull by like 50mm KE