2 years later and the M1 Abrams is now 10.7 anyway sharing a BR with the object 292 and it’s highest in the game armor penetration of nearly 700mm whilst still lacking M833
Yes, apparently Abrams doesn’t have any advantage over the object 292, clearly bussian rias to put it at the same br:
The advantage of Abrams
- reload twice as quickly - useless
- reverse speed - useless
- -10 gun depression vs -5, useless
- 4 crews vs 3 crews, useless
You can clearly see it has zero advantage over the superior object 292, it’s unfair that they are in the same br right? crazy bro don’t know what they were smoking
My solution:
Give M1 Abrams the M900 and move it down to 9.7, the turret ring can be penned by T-55 so it doesn’t even safe there, and don’t forget to move the object 292 to 11.7 or better yet 12.3, I think everybody will be happy with these changes
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Lmao Russian main spotted. I didn’t claim Russian bias, but if we’re gonna start talking stats let’s turn the tables shall we?
T80 hull that is mostly impervious to M774 if you hide the LFP.
Equally good forwards mobility
Terrible reverse is a Hallmark of ALL RUSSIAN TANKS it’s usually a major perk if they aren’t terrible in reverse not a good argument it’s a hindrance of the nation you choose to play
Again low gun depression is a Hallmark of Soviet tank design and doctrine and it is offset by low profile which still allows some Ridgeline fighting if you maneuver right
Once more 3 crew is a Hallmark of Autoloaders, which Soviet tanks employ at high tier and that might be a defensive shortcoming but it is an offensive boon. Remember the Abrams can be set on fire quite easily frontally with turret ring hits. If this happens the Abrams can no longer reload or even commence repairs while you continue to do so. This gives you shoot back capabilities Abrams players wish they had.
Furthermore the Abrams has completely non existent armor against most rounds at its BR let alone the nearly 700mm from the 292 and it struggles to hurt same tier MBTs without careful aiming for weakpoints that enemies do not need to waste time on.
Finally before the rebalancing that moved most MBTs to 10.7 from 10.3 (a rebalance that curiously did ignore every Russian MBT) the Object 292 a vehicle that was previously moved up to 10.7 from 10.3 for the exact reason that it was over performing suddenly found itself in the EXACT SAME BRACKET IT HAD JUST BEEN REMOVED FROM. Maybe do some reading before you start complaining about a minor buff to an underperforming vehicle next time.
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Yes, call every weakness as “hallmark” and disregard the fact that it hinders their performance ingame and reduces their overall survivability. I don’t have to look at your record to know that you have never played them, and 99% sure as hell if you play them you will never perform them any better than NATO counterparts.
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Well your right on one count I haven’t played them but I also do t need to to know how they work, it’s called studying. It helps to know your enemy. That said any braindead monkey can play a Soviet MBT and do better than an Abrams. Win rates don’t lie the Abrams specifically suffers greatly compared to other MBTs. You have superb armor and mobility, you have autoloaders that are fairly infamous for eating rounds that should kill you. You have passable penetration at every BR and M833 still would be the weakest round for an MBT at 10.7. your flaws are well documented and can be accounted for. But try playing a tank that loses out on two thirds of the triad and you will understand
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bmp2 shooting apds it never shot and never will shoot is a good example
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And possibly even the M60A RISE would use it during the Gulf War.
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Yes, I read something like that a while ago. I thought that high-pressure bullets could only be fired by the M68A1, but it seems that after a certain production run, the M68 was improved to be able to withstand more pressure.
It’s common info that shells are balancing factor. With proper decompression all tanks should get all historical shells. Now we are stuck with 10.7 firing DM23/M774 Vs almost top tier tanks using top end shells like dm53/M829a2 with very good thermals and better armour.
Pretty impressive results:
Yes, like all of it’s counterparts are.
I’m not sure why you bring that up given that the whole of top-tier got moved up together.
I’ve got a common saying: ‘‘Poor/inexperienced players are easily spotted by them overrating the importance of penetration values and raw armour’’.
War Thunder’s meta is about Mobility + First hit kill/cripple. The M1 is simply the #1 best tank at suiting that meta at 10.7.
No sir.
And you’d know that they weren’t equal if you actually played the object 292 yourself.
Object 292:
- 30 km/h in: 3:75 s
- 45 km/h in: 8:15 s
- 55 km/h in: 13:85 s
- 65 km/h in: 21:94s
M1 Abrams:
- 30 km/h in: 3:12 s
- 45 km/h in: 6:75 s
- 55 km/h in: 10:27 s
- 65 km/h in: 15:00 s
Let me unpack things here, so because all of these Soviet/Russian MBT’s share the same weakness, it stops being a weakness.
Does that mean if we take away high penetration shells from all American top-tier tanks, that the M1’s ammo selection magically becomes fine? I mean, it’s a shared ‘‘weakness’’ at that point.
This is a statement that could only be made by someone who’s never played these Soviet/Russian tanks.
You believe that having a consistently poor reload rate is somehow a benefit when it comes to offensive gameplay?
And that any hit to the hull guarantees that your ability to reload is fully taken away? Is that also a benefit to offensive gameplay?
I’m sorry to say, but this is more likely to be a you problem, not a problem with the vehicle.
The M1 Abrams is the best overall 10.7 in the game, it offers literally everything you need in order to carry matches.
The 5 second reload more than compensates for the lower penetration, especially since you’re aiming for the same spots with M774 as you would with DM23.
If the M1 Abrams were to have superior ammunition it’d just be the IPM1 at 11.3, so go and play that thing instead then?
Mate. Really?
This argument would hold more weight if you didn’t just make several statements that indicate you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to these vehicles you’ve never played.
As always: ‘‘Grass is always greener on the other side’’ -mentality.
That’s why the Abrams has better stats than it’s Soviet/Russian counterparts on Statshark, right?
Lol.
- M1 Abrams winrate: 49.9%
- M1 KVT winrate: 49.9%
- T-80UD winrate: 41.1%
- Object 292 winrate: 43.8%
- T-80B winrate: 43.4%
- T-72AV TURMS-T winrate: 39.9%
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It’s quite telling that the US mains that complain about the M1 Abrams at 10.7 never seem to take issue with the M1A2 sitting at 11.7, despite the fact that it gets to feast on other 10.7’s quite regularly.
Especially when stuff like the Leclerc, Leopard 2A5, 2A6, T-90M, etc. are at 12.0 when they are really it’s peers, or the Chally 2’s, Chally 3TD, T-72B3A, Leo 2A4M CAN, 2PL, Ariete, Certezza, T-80U and T-72B3 being at the same BR yet all of them being inferior.
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Since the addition of new SPAAs the CAS spam at top tier has drastically reduced, which leads me to start playing them again, and decided to crew the M1A2, and from here we can see it doesn’t suck
Just unlocked the M829A2 and played it for three games total, the rest are M829 which doesn’t even feel like it lacks any stopping power to kill anything it sees in its respective br, I actually went for the engine and transmission first then the A2 because I don’t think I need more firepower and went after the speed instead, because that’s what I feel is more important. Next I’m going for the AIM because of the 13.x scope zoom, which I believe suits my defensive playstyle more, only thing that upsets me is it doesn’t have the M829 as starting round? maybe I’m seeing things
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With proper decompression you can balance out things like Leo 2A5 as well. Now it’s impossible to do so. 2A5 can stay 12.0/12.3 with 2A7V going to 12.7 for an example.
Primarily because A1 or A2 does not really allow you to shoot targets beyond the weakpoints base M829 can already penetrate. Its a bit more reliable and thats about it.
The M1A2 indeed does, the AIM, nope, is a rank VII not VIII so it lacks a stock dart, same with the M1A1 HC.
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There is no world where abrams is #2 when strv122 exists
Similar story here, I’ve only just fully researched all the modules on my M1A2 and I’m already on a 4-1 K/D in it.
Despite getting some awful teams on a regular basis, my winrate still isn’t that bad for what I usually get. It’s also pretty filthy when it gets those full downtiers to Leo 2A4 territory where it gets to bully stuff around.
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292 is garbage idk what you’re on about.
Leo 2A7 = Strv 122, Abrams comes after it.
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Play on EU, US teams on there know what they’re doing tbh.