what are you going on about?
People claim they’re justified in denying kills in bombers because it’s “unfair.”
It’s not. (Some) bombers are very good at defending themselves if one pays attention (at least against conventional WW2 prop fighters.)
Why did you reply to me about bombers, none of my comments were about bombers.
I was highlighting the difference of intentionally spiting another player versus simply playing the game, and providing explanation that the idea that you are completely defenceless (in some bombers vs conventional propeller WW2 fighters) is false.
Again i dont know why you are replaying to me with bomber or anything else as my comment has nothing to do with anything your are saying.
You made a false-equivalence between players seeking to play the game as intended being frustrated with no-honour/spiteful behaviour (people complaining about others intentionally crashing their planes or J-ing out at a distance without kill credit. Usually, this is done by bombers - especially “Zombers” - people who do not make an effort to maneuver, fly defensively or fight back and just want to fly over a target and drop bombs).
And players who claim they are justified in no-honour/spiteful behaviour in terms of intentionally crashing their plane (crashing a plane is intended game mechanic as a consequence for tunnel-vision, compression, g-loc, wingrip, stall. Intentionally crashing to deny a kill is not) or j-ing out from beyond kill-credit range (J-ing out is an intended mechanic if your plane enters an unrecoverable flat spin, if you landed at the runway and swap loadouts, if your plane suffered damage to its engines/control surfaces and death is certain and you don’t want to delay it until you hit the ground). Players who make this claim also claim to fly bombers, citing their helplessness.
A claim was made that the spiteful behaviour - which uses game mechanics NOT as intended purely to spite another player - is a showcase of entitlement.
You claim that being frustrated with the spiteful behaviour while playing the game as intended and expecting your fellow players to uphold basic concepts of good sportsmanship and honour is the same level of entitlement. Fun fact, if you’re the last person standing - there’s a good chance your opponents will let you return to airfield, land, repair and J out to avoid suffering repair costs out of sympathy and honour. It’s not entitlement to expect your opponents to uphold good sportsmanship and honour. It’s respect for them and believing them to be better.
In my reply to you, I have first countered your false equivalence in a less verbose manner. Then, I went to attack the pillar behind the spiteful behaviour that it’s done because “I have no hope fighting back anyway.”
Haha yeah have fun. No buccaneer kills for you. Like I’d give you fuckers who fly the crusader (which is for skill-less shitters) or MiG-21 R-13 S-200 (once again for skill-less shitters) play a plane that actually requires skill and maybe, maybe I’ll let you kill my buccaneer S.2.
Im a Bomber Player. In an S2BC-1 or S2BC-4 or S2BC-5, or Stuka (D-3, D-5, B-1), BV-238, A-26C-45DT, B-57B, IL-28, IL-28SH, Arado 234 C-3, (really any bomber that can gunship or dogfight) I will torch your ass after dumping my bombs.
okay?
I welcome you fighting back. That’s the goal. That’s the point of the game.
So why don’t you gunship?
Because I enjoy the corsair the most and if I got the SL to spare to offset my deaths in sim (and brackets line-up), I’ll fly my corsair. Gunshipping is not really my flavour of fun.
I’m not sure why you feel so defensive as to intentionally attack me.
Fair point. F4U-4B was a great Fighter back in 2022.
Idk I’m not a zomber. I have an IQ and a tendency to do stupid things for fun, (gunshipping)
Then my post was not aimed at you. My post was aimed at (primarily the person who made the false equivalence) those who refuse to try and fight back and intentionally crash or J-out to deny a kill. Idk about jets, can’t comment. But as you yourself said, gunshipping is quite effective at taking down WW2 props (or at least sending them back to base with dying engine cooling and you surviving).
If I want to be spiteful and crash my plane to deny someone a kill, I will. I have no qualms about doing it and do so often. It’s my aircraft and I get to decide what to do with it within my realm of control, after all.
The same behavior is also used against me regularly.
Does it bother me? Nah. Couldn’t care less.
Wanting to punish people for it is utter nonsense, by the way. The players are already accepting the SL/RP loss by crashing even with zero score, so there’s already a penalty in place. Wanting to demand a higher penalty just because you’re upset is purely egotistical.
You are not entitled to have free and easy kills against the enemy team, or any kills at all for that matter. Get over yourselves.
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I suppose you wouldn’t care then if people starting reporting you for violating the code of conduct for deliberately losing… out of spite
Unrelated I’m noticing this way more now, I’ve just played 8 matches in ground RB and noted 15 J-outs, a specific one that really stuck with me was a Swedish T-34 on Carpathians domination. They pushed up around to the enemy slawn at our north and racked up 5 kills without anyone doing anything about it. I played like shit and lost 2 tanks straight up. I respawnrd in my SPAA and they were still there 5 minutes later. I called an artillery strike on his position and they j-ed out.
I know the sunken cost phalacy is partly to blame but if the game makes you so spiteful, why are you here?
You know your bomber is equipped with a lot of guns capable of killing an engine in 1-2 hits (and you’re very likely to hit an engine given you’re firing backwards/below rather than from behind the enemy), potentially even cut a wing off in a well aimed stream of shots?
well im not going to read a wall of txt but i did read the first sentence. You doing the same thing just the opposite side of people crashing. Complaining that people are not playing a video game they way they think the other player should play because your way of playing should be the only way for it to be played. You are not better than the person who crashes to avoid being killed, you are acting the same way just the other side of the coin.
Your inability to maintain an attention span further than five seconds is neither my concern or fault. And it is not a wall of text, it takes what - a scant minute to read at best?