Stupid to remove historical equipment from vehicles because, nuh uh we dont want to do the work
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The fact they even put a BR cap on night battles to me is just a bad move, playing at night is fun, and shouldn’t be robbed of the BRs that have a full set of vehicles with NVD, like my 7.7-8.7 Sweden lineup NVD mod is completely useless.
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Exactly, especially since night battles are optional now, if you dont want to play them below 10.0, just dont
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Exactly.
What a terrible idea, night battles should be at all BRs.
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Ok gents I’ve received some feedback regarding this issue. Many thanks to @Smin1080p for responding directly.
So, points to take away;
- The NVD policy affects all vehicles of BR 9.7 (RB) and below.
- The NVD policy was in effect from the addition of the AMX-10P (added in Update “Kings of Battle”, 31 October 2023).
- The addition of gunner’s NVD to the FV721 Fox was a mistake, and was removed to comply with the NVD Policy.
- The presence of NVD on vehicles added prior to 31 Oct 2023 (eg. ASU-57) is subject to a future decision by the devs, and bug reports on their NVD will not be accepted.
- No mention has been made of Thermal Imaging systems on vehicles of BR 9.7 and below, so must be assumed to remain where applicable.
6. No vehicles of BR 9.7 and below, added to the game after 31 October 2023, will have NVD.
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Yeah, I don’t want to lose my GTVD on the Strv 105.
That is the most monumentally stupid policy I’ve seen for WT in a long time.
Give.
Us.
Night.
Battles.
At.
All.
BRs.
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That’s pretty terrible
Not only did they completely fail to communicate any of this, they’re going to arbitrarily apply “it was before this date, so therefore it magically gets NVD” - which is the worst of all worlds because its a lottery of when your vehicle was added.
This move is just horrific, it’s trashed any hope of new vehicles being brought into Night Battles at high tier, it’s potentially screwed the (admittedly small) community of Mil-simmers and Event Servers/Discords who want their historical accuracy.
Apart from anything else, there’s a whole ball of other questions: what if Night Battles get extended to BR 7.7? what if you have 9.0 vehicles in your lineup but get put into a night battle because you have that one 10.0 tank?
Honestly a very short sighted and poor decision by Gaijin, indicative of a culture of laziness, and lack of attention to detail, that reflects in many other areas of the game (notably, Armour Gaps, one of which I note has appeared in the Challenger 2, and is widespread in naval, lack of sensible and thought out BR changes, lack of willingness to listen to community feedback, the list goes on) that will punish players who want to use War Thunder to gain their own enjoyment by playing a wide, diverse range of vehicles in a range of scenarios and settings.
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The trouble with giving it at all BRs with the current player-elective system is that it would create a parallel matchmaking system, something Gaijin always avoid. Might be possible, but I doubt it.
Personally I want night battles with (less) flares from WW2 onwards so hey.
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@Smin1080p, I hope you pass on to the devs that this is a terrible change for multiple reasons, such as:
Removing historical equipment from vehicles, for no valid reason.
Preventing bringing lower tier vehicles into higher tier night battles.
Preventing historical custom game night battles being accurate.
This change really seems as though it is the devs deciding they no longer want to do the work to put NVD’s on lower vehicles, just because they wont fight in night battles at their BR, which itself is ridiculous, do they think in WW2 there were zero tank engagements after 6pm because it was dark? Night battles are also optional now, a very good change, so people without NVD’s simply don’t have to play them, so stop punishing those players who enjoy night battles.
Another quick thing, flares in night battles are blinding when you have NVD’s on, making them useless anyways, so when you turn them off, you just have to turn them on again once the flare near you has despawned.
Reverting the change now would result in correcting 3 vehicles now, rather than 20+ later
Sorry for the ping and rant, but this really does seem like a change just so the devs can do less work, I’m sure many people agree with that, and I hope you can convey what I and others have said here to the devs.
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It wouldn’t really though, as it’s essentially just more “maps” in the same modes.
The matchmaker could try to put people who all have night matches enabled together, and if that works they could get a night match. Or even not try (no extra factors) and if by chance everyone has it enabled, they can get it.
Of course they need to also make night battles opt-out not opt-in; making things opt-in is always terrible game design.
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Seems like a wild thing for them to even spend time thinking about, something so trivial in a game with a plethora of issues… but lets stop adding NVG for no reason at all.
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And thereby actually have a number of battles actually at night, rather than a number so small you may as well call it zero.
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We’d originally submitted some bug reports to remove NVDs from vehicles below 8.0 to start the conversation. I never thought they’d set the threshold at 10.0, as it puts a huge number of vehicles at risk of losing NVDs.
TVDs I’m fairly sure would be fine as they’re useful in daytime.
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I’m kind of fine with vehicles below 10.0 not seeing night battles, but them just not getting NVDs is insane.
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I got the feeling you weren’t here before the changes made to night battles.
I’ve been here since 2018, when the game came to Xbox. :P
Now that night battles are optional, there’s zero excuse to not enable them at all BRs, in all modes.
And the longer this policy is in place, the harder it will be to reverse.
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I’d love to have WW2 Night Battles enabled again (with less flares), it would make the introduction of Gen 1 NVDs impactful.