Lets talk about the state of Germany

I Agree. I think with the addition of the Kf Germany is falling a bit behind in the lightweight race.

So maybe we will see in italy tree 2a8 and kf-51 because of Hungary:)

are they? honestly i dont quite know, 2a7+ was just the describtion for all possible leopard modifications currently. I just find it funny that in a recent internview from the KMW director it was said that the 2A7HU lacks the ability to programm DM11 ammunition and those as a result the 2A7V is “better” then the HU. My take on it, is preference do you want a lighter tank with programmable ammo and better mobility. Or a slightly more armored Leopard with the side HE protection of the PSO and roof armor + remote weapon station (which i honestly love and is great against helis)

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I think that wouldn’t be in close time

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let’s hope

yeah thats my fear, in future italy gonna be the better german tree, switching with sweden now

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Yeah, that’s probably going to happen unfortunately.

Sweden may have plss + and strv 123

The 2A7V can mount the side armour as well, that was one of the key features of the 2A7.

plss+ just has the side armor kits as well. and the strv123 is just a 2a7, while we are getting the 2a8

we know gajin, the standard 2A7V is shown without those kits, so we wont get it just like the armor kit for the PSO, at least i didnt find a picture of the 2A7V with the armor kit

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And for 2025 ax i suppose for demonstrator.
And i would to thank for all of you guys. There i can talk freely and i have support there. Thanks a lot, friends :)

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Gameplay wise, is there much of a difference between a 2A7V/+ and a 2A8 (besides APS)?

dont think so, APS will be the main factor, might receive RWR, remote weapon station , and better ammunition but the basics stays the same

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It would be pretty hilarious if a 2A7 got added without the side armour, when the mountings are so easy to spot.
Leopard 2A7 Seite
(The rectangles above the side skirts)

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So may i ask a question?
2a7v can mount a flw 200+ on a roof, am i right?

i would argue the mounts are pretty easy to spot on the PSO as well for the armor beak upgrade

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2a7v doesnt have them, for whatever reason germany didnt want them yet. But the current situation with drones shows hoe necesary they are , and will propably be included in the 2a8

Mine too. Sweden has for almost three years a modern and more armored version of the Leopard than Germany which planned/prototyped produced and sell this tank. That’s what I do not understand. Why didn’t they give Germany a 1:1 PLSS when the PLSS arrived? So hard?. And that´s why now I want to have a better Leopard than Sweden

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2а8 have a demonstrator already, so it haven’t that, but soon expect to do it