Lets talk about the state of Germany

[An_Pigeon]

@Zitrone3_2

Worst optics

Worst optics?

@Zitrone3_2

Longest reload (if loader dead)

No CR2 and Merkava get that mantle.
Plus the CR2 only gets 5 seconds for the first five rounds.

@Zitrone3_2

Second longest reload in game with loader alive

6 seconds ? at top tier with the best round at top tier when fired from the L/55 cannon?

Yeah that ain’t bad at all.

@Zitrone3_2

LMAO calling france and china worse then germany must be a troll

They are worse than Germany? xD

You’ve not even got germany past rank four mate

[H_ngma]

@__Renzo__

If it was something I was truely something I cared about I could probably make an argument, or I could look to the replays.

1. You put in multiple comments in this thread and still do so you obviously care enough for that. Its just now when you get called out that you dont have an actual argument you go “oh actually i dont care but i totally could make an argument”. Its actually embarrassing.
2. No one cares about your replays, they are completely insignificant in the context of the games played last month.

@__Renzo__

The only true point is that LDIRCM is overpowered, but that also affects other nations.

Yeah and now guess which vehicles have the greatest positive trajectory in performance which germany doesnt have access to.

[An_Pigeon]

@__Renzo__

If it was something I was truely something I cared about I could probably make an argument, or I could look to the replays.

This is the first time I’ve seen you say something like this man.

[_Renzo]

@An_Pigeon

This is the first time I’ve seen you say something like this man.

If I’m in a discussion with someone who isn’t biased and I enjoy the discussion I will do whatever it takes.

If I know someone is biased or just really bad (or both) I’ll just continue without too much effort, because I have a bit of adhd and I just can’t sit still.

@H_ngma_

You put in multiple comments in this thread and still do so you obviously care enough for that.

There is this thing called just keeping busy, sometimes I just post low effort stuff to keep myself busy.

But if you really want to go, You say Germany has a lineup problem besides the LDIRCM heli situation:

MBTs: Germany is great. 2A7V is still one of the best MBTs together with the 2A7HU and Strv 122s and the 2A5/2A6/PSO are great all rounders, it’s hard to do bad in any of them.

Light tanks/IFV: They don’t have an 11.7-12.0 light tank, like most other trees in this game. Their IFV is one of the best when compared to most of the 10.7-11.3 Spike IFVs, the Puma easily beats the Namer and KF41.

AA: FlaRakRad is a workable backup AA, I won’t fully rate the SLM until people have tested it more. Regardless the SLM is likely still better than what a lot of other nations have to deal with (nations most of which, unlike you, I have actually played at top tier).

Planes: probably the second best CAP jet in game, but I’ll give that Germany CAS suffers a bit.

Helis: yeah the UHT should be 12.7 imo.

[H_ngma]

Great writeup buddy, dont really need thousands of hours to do that one but i appreciate it.
The great thing is youve actually perfectly nailed what ive said the entire time. Everything is dandy with the german lineup except for the 2 things that matter most rn. LDIRCM and CAS. Why do you think does russia perform so insanely good right now? Its for sure not their tanks, its just LDIRCM helis and CAS. The exact LDIRCM helis germany is struggling against and the easy to use CAS germany doesnt really have. Thats the lineup gap that currently breaks germanys top tier wr

[_Renzo]

I have already said in the beginning that an LDIRCM issue is a more appropriate term, but you insisted on a lineup issue.

Germany did just fine (arguably underperformed, but I guess that is major nation player tax) before that mechanic. nerf LDIRCM and Germany should do fine again with their current lineup.

@H_ngma_

dont really need thousands of hours to do that one but i appreciate it.

also don’t need thousands of hours to do well in this game yet here we are.

[H_ngma]

@__Renzo__

I have already said in the beginning that an LDIRCM issue is a more appropriate term, but you insisted on a lineup issue.

You also said its a player skill issue, great to see that we agree its not that at least. Well not having LDIRCM and also not having an answer to it is a lineup problem id say. But maybe thats just semantics

[An_Pigeon]

@Zitrone3_2

Gen 1 thermals for every of their tt MBTs exept the 2a7

gen 2 commanders thermals ?
that is optics BTW optics is the magnification. which btw the worst I think is the VT4A1 magnification

@Zitrone3_2

Ye it kind of is.

Kinda is what? you realise the CR2 past its ready rack with an expert crew has like 7 seconds? right?

so it gets four reloads at 5.3 seconds expert then goes slower than a russian MBT.

@Zitrone3_2

First i played germany Top tier during sqb

You’ve not got any german tanks past rank four on your stat card. ?

@Zitrone3_2

secondly if you so hard disagree do u wanna hop in a custom?

I really don’t mind, give me a couple hours n sure thing

though you ignore all the good things about leopard then say it’s a bad tank.

what you gonna use? xD

@__Renzo__

If I’m in a discussion with someone who isn’t biased and I enjoy the discussion I will do whatever it takes.

yeah I get that too man, it’s also less time consuming and effort wasting.

[An_Pigeon]

@Zitrone3_2

Do you know what 90% of squads do during sqb?

An Pigeon:

I am aware, though it still reflects badly on yourself to be here chanting aboutthe Leopards without having technically used them then. Better wording?

@Zitrone3_2

ye i’ll be asleep in a couple of hours, maybe tmr

An Pigeon:

I have to teach until 8PM CET and tomorrow even later.

So maybe friday? :)

@Zitrone3_2

Depends on the map, if we play some vary nato sided map prob chally 2

They also massively benefit the leopard 2s

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

@H_ngma_

also not having an answer to it

Everyone doesn’t have an answer, not just the Germans.

[_Renzo]

@Zitrone3_2

Do you know what 90% of squads do during sqb?

sqb hardly reflects normal GRB, same goes for the tournaments

The EFT is incredibly common and good still in sqb while it’s not a super potent CAS plane in normal GRB.

[Zitrone3_2]

@An_Pigeon

They also massively benefit the leopard 2s

Sure lets take an extra long range map for the black night aps bullshit :p

[H_ngma]

True which is why everyone without an LDIRCM heli tanked wr

[Zitrone3_2]

exept russia, pantsir still dangerous

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

Pantsir dangerous for FnF heli? Nice joke.

[An_Pigeon]

@Zitrone3_2

Sure lets take an extra long range map for the black night aps bullshit :p

Only works four times.

[An_Pigeon]

Which means you played them not on that account not something you should be admitting on the official gaijin forum.

[MotorolaCRO]

@H_ngma_

You also said its a player skill issue, great to see that we agree its not that at least.

It’s very likely that it is actually a skill issue.
Experienced players move around looking for the next FOTM and Germany was on the receiving end of that.

[Zitrone3_2]

was more of a joke

[H_ngma]

Im not gonna waste any time arguing about that topic again until you guys give the slightest bit of proof that theres a statistically significant amount of insane players casually swapping top tier tree to swing winrates by 5%+