Yes but my point is pre buff Hellfires sucked (and still do suck). Also they affect a lot more nations than a Part buff does which is and always will be how Gaijin works- the more they can get done in one swift buff or nerf the better. Hence why they just banned areas on maps instead of rework them or why they add certain missiles instead of rework existing ones
according to the changelog the new damage modell for the Hellfires only apply to AGMs and ATGMs over a caliber of 170mm and the PARS are only 159mm.
(circa 2192) Update 3.0.0.0.0.0.1.0.1: new addition to the german tech tree, the F-35(A? they got the A model right?) Lightning, equipped with 2 aim9B’s, a 200 rounds/min 10mm cannon, and 12 small caliber flares, this relatively slow, but somewhat maneuverable subsonic jet will be joining the latest and greatest 20.0 jets, capable of equipping an astounding 2 * 500lb bombs for CAS, and an advanced mono-pulse-doppler search radar with a range of 15km (10 * 10 degree search cone) to aid in air-to-air combat.
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Oh. I have no doubt that the Hellfire needs the buff.
More than 2 direct hits shouldn’t be necessary to destroy a tank with an anti-tank missile.
However, if I need 4 to 9 PARS (the UHT only has 8) to destroy a tank, I wonder why it doesn’t get a buff. The UHT performs no better than an Apache.
yeah, sadly we did already
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Auf
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In fact, I don’t like having F16s in the German tree. However, “foreign” vehicles in the different trees bother me anyway. It dilutes everything tremendously. Even though I am fully aware that we actually needed them.
However, I don’t understand the resistance to it either.
Either the Eurofighter isn’t that far away in the queue and we are then rightly expected to simply not have any top-tier jets for half a year.
Or, and that would be really bad, they wantonly let us suffer in the top tier.
In fact, in real terms it makes less sense to place South African Gripen in the British tree than to place Dutch F16s in the German tree. Even if so far “only” the entire land forces have been integrated into the Bundeswehr.
Factually wrong, it’s a NATO-cooperation. The Bundeswehr has no say on where the dutch should be deployed. They share logistics, training and in some cases vehicles. Command is still separate per country and officer/administrative system.
Some people have brought the argument forward about the 3 armoured divisions of the NL that merged with their comparable German brigades in order to form 3 force-ready divisions under the NATO readiness pact (Source1, Source2). This made sure that the severely degraded/budget-gutted German(Rapid Forces, 1 Armoured div. and 10 armoured div) and Dutch(11 airmobile, 43 mechanised, 13th light) divisions were able to keep their expertise and readiness (Source3, source4, source5).
This is recent history, as these merges took place on the 1990s under the NATO-umbrella.
The Dutch government still has sovereign power over where to use these Dutch troops/Material.
Edit: But I’ll have to agree that recent dutch equipment would fit well into the German tech tree.
I personally really would despise it however if WW2 dutch stuff (not captured) would find its way into the tech tree, as you might know the Germans and Dutch weren’t the best of friends some time ago.
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The following is the current reading: "With the most recent integration, every division of the army, even in its basic formation, now has a subordinate Dutch brigade. With the integration of the large Dutch formation, all brigades of the Dutch field army are simultaneously integrated into the divisions of the German army. "
What this actually means is that the Dutch brigades are commanded by Germans in battle.
There is no such cooperation between any two other countries in the world.
It’s astonishing that Gaijin doesn’t take this into account.
Of course, the Netherlands retains sovereignty over its armed forces. Anything else would be absurd.
Just like the idea that Germany would begin a military disengagement outside of a NATO operation.
And historical animosities between states obviously have no meaning here. The tribes of today’s South Africa were subjected to war, oppressed and colonized by the British.
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Assuming that the airforces will ever integrate.
Our government actually cares about the airforce and navy so I wouldn’t expect that to happen anytime soon.
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EJ200’s thrust at M1 on the deck is around 150kN, or maybe even more and it’s by no means a secret.
It’s just that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Eurojet themselves lists it as 90kN, so accountinf for channel loss and any hight issues from 180kN, 150 definitely sounds reasonable
Maybe hes confusing having one engine vs 2?
But I feel like the mafh there is simple, just get the weight of a typhoon plug and play
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I don’t assume that the Dutch air force will be integrated into the German air force as quickly as has now been done for the land force.
The fact that they relied on the F16 makes joint logistics and training less useful.
However, the F35 are coming soon for the entire BeNeLux.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an attempt to integrate it into the Bundeswehr’s air force.
However, what I wanted to make clear. What should be clear to everyone is that the military cooperation between the Netherlands and Germany goes far beyond that of NATO.
And it’s not like the Netherlands doesn’t benefit from it or loses its sovereignty.
Again: I myself am not convinced that the F16 belongs in the German tree.
I can wait and look forward to the Eurofighter.
At the end of the year or next year.
But I also think that a Gripen has no place in the English tree. And so I also have no understanding for the resistance to the F16 in the German tree.
At least for the netherlands, I think we already have over half of our order here. From what I can tell it’s all they are flying now from the airforce base I live close to.
As a dutch person myself I very much doubt it, because of some reasons:
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There is a reason to integrate our land forces, because the only major threat is east of Germany (russia), so if we need to fight at our own borders something has already gone very wrong.
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Our government doesn’t really seem to care a lot about our army, so integrating them with the German army makes it so they can care even less.
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We already have a rotating airspace protection agreement with Belgium (and Luxemburg), so integrating our airforce under German command compromise that. Not to mention that part of our drones are stationed overseas.
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That makes no sense though, considering that the Dutch are still solely responsible for the acquisition of equipment, maintenace of their army, training of their soldiers, paying of their salaries and have authority over their deployment.
The current shared command structure does nothing ot alleviate this, thus is means that they cannot afford to care less than they already do.
That sounds strange. The Netherlands doesn’t want to care so much about its land forces, so it hands them over to Germany?
You clearly didn’t understand the agreement between the Netherlands and Germany. Neither in execution nor in intention.
The entire process is aimed at forming joint forces in the future. Without exceptions. So also by air and by sea.
At the end of the process, the Dutch armed forces and the Bundeswehr will merge into a joint force.
It doesn’t matter at all whether it will be called the Bundeswehr.
Germany is pursuing the goal of a European army on land, air and sea. The Netherlands is the first country that is ready to take the first steps towards this.
The Franco-German Brigade in Müllheim is another project aimed at this. But a German-French merger will be significantly more difficult to implement.
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