If it had the correct protection it shouldn’t be a problem. Object 292 is 10.3 with base T80U levels of protection with 695mm of pen. (Yes I know it doesn’t have thermals).
Lmao even. Yeah it would totally be equal to the Mk.3 Merkavas and IPM1 at 11.0.
It currently has KE-W. With DM53 it would easily be fine at 11.3. With KE-W I could somewhat see the arguments for 11.0 to some extend.
MK.3 Merkavas can go down to 10.7 tbh. M1IP has a 5 second reload, better armor, and better mobility (same for M1A1). Again this is if the 2A4M CAN had its correct armor which I doubt it will.
what happens is that the snail intentionally breaks it, because Italy doesn’t have another MBT and 2A7V/HU is too advanced for the current meta.
Therefore, the snail’s solution was to give us a broken MBT (intentionally) only for Italy to receive its only MBT option (also broken), until 2A8.
In short, they screwed us to compensate for Italy’s superior level, since Germany had many real options, before the broken 2A7V they gave us.
Leopard 2A4M CAN doesn’t have a 10 second reload rate.
580mm pen with 6s reload > 700mm pen with 10s reload, or in other words: Only 20% more penetration for 66% worse reload rate.
M1A1 is a 11.0 MBT firing 600mm penetration APFSDS every 5 seconds.
Granted, the M1A1 is one of the strongest MBT’s relative to it’s BR in the game, but DM53 at 11.3 wouldn’t be that problematic depending on the other aspects of the vehicle. The Leopard 2 A7V would still be a significant upgrade over a 2A4M CAN /w DM53.
2A4MCAN with correct armor would have less armor then M1A1, worse reload, worse mobility, and a worse round (if it keeps KE-W).
Base 2A6 and 2A5 are both still pretty significant upgrades over 2A4M CAN with correct armor even with DM53. The only thing the 2A4M CAN might have that’s better is better gunner optics. (I can’t remember if it has gen 1,2 or 3)
At least it makes more sense than this strange shop Tornado for 70 bucks. No one knows for what this thing is good for. Too slow to bomb bases before others reach it…and just 2 AAMs. For GRB no apropriate guided weapons as well^^ The Canadian A4 will be very useful.
I see a lot of assumptions made about B-tech being the inserts used, but is there any actual source proving this? I kind of find it hard to believe deep modernization of the vehicle in the 20th century would omit replacing internal composites for new and more effective ones.
i dont think it uses AMAP-B but some kind of composite made by KMW
Yeah give a year or two and alot of Typhoons will have AESA
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Tbh fix PSO and 2A7V armor is enough to make me happy at least for a while now as for planes well kinda hopeless but with AMRAAM use it as air spawn kill in GRB is probably still can make it work for CAS well GBU drop speed limit should be gone like gone for good because Tornado already can’t dodge pantsir without it speed (and Tornado need it a lot for deal with pantsir)
F-15C would retain the highest TWR.
IRST isn’t “the bees knees”, and its RCS drop won’t be as significant as people think.
No… not at all.
As for Leopard 2A4M CAN and 2PL, both are perfect with their DM43 and KE-W rounds.
They don’t need DM53.
Not AMAP-B, B-tech. As in the armor inserts for the base armor from the leo 2A4 from the 1980’s.
ah, shouldnt it be C tech at least?
Idk, a lot of people here seem to assume its B-tech, ive heard because the original 2A4 NL were B-tech, or atleast believed to be b-tech, but i see no reason why with such comprehensive upgrades to the tanks that it should be assumed they remained b-tech.
it depends. Using the empty weights and thrust values from wikipedia (I’m lazy, ok) as well as adding 4x AIM-120 + 4x AIM-9, 50% fuel and the average male as pilot, with AB the F-15C performs slightly better (by 0.37%). Without AB the EFT has more TWR (8% more)
With heavier loadouts, the F-15 would get relatively better, but it always performs worse without AB
F-15C produces ~27,000lbf of thrust at sea level going 0.9 mach, per engine.
Typhoon produces 20,000lbf of thrust at sea level going 0.9 mach, per engine.
So despite the F-15C weighing 1.7 tons more, its TWR remains higher.
The wikipedia thrust of F-15C is static, whereas the wikipedia thrust of Typhoon is at mach 0.9 [I confirmed this by finding a document I won’t share due to not wanting to be a War Thunder forum statistic].
The hulls are pre-5th batch, as the return roller configuration shows. It is certainly possible that Canada upgraded the internal composites but this would have likely been more costly than buying add-on armour that also provides KE protection, like AMAP.
The 2A4s were procured specifically for COIN operations. Also, taking the canadian military’s funding into account, it seems unlikely that the internal composites were upgraded.
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In the long run, can we get Poland as an air and ground branch for Germany? Or get the Argentine F16AM as a solution to the pressing need？
how it is? we already have the 2a7v which is nearly the same vehicle…