Lets talk about the state of Germany

Gonna copy paste my statement from the (now closed) 2A7V post the dev server forum section.

@Smin1080p sorry for the ping, but at this point, I think you guys have some explaining to do as to how the 2A7V came to the live server with LESS armor than the 2A6 which it is a direct upgrade of in real life, and less armor than the Strv122’s, which are all over 20 years older than the 2A7V. This is beyond idiotic, particularly following the statement during the PSO fiasco. I’m aware this update was likely rushed, but considering the mess you guys have had with the handling of german top tier ground forces over the last few years, i think we are owed an explanation.

As it currently stands, the 2A7V is a sidegrade to the 2A5/6 added 2-3 years ago, trading mobility and protection for better thermals. Its not like the devs weren’t provided with ample bug reports and documentations regarding the error either, as numerous highly detailed and well sourced bug reports were submitted , and we were even told not to worry since “In-game armor is not set up yet. We too are waiting for the final values.” . Despite this, the values from the dev server still came as found onto the live server.

This is bordering on blatant mismodelling and outright contempt for german vehicles and german players at this point, and amounts to outright spitting in our faces after telling us to wait for a new leopard.

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The MiG-23MLA getting downgraded RWR is a slap to the face. No launch indication nor PD indication and a 50 degree sector that the missile could be in? Good luck notching effectively! Now the MLA is not only worse in manueverability than the MLD at the same BR but also far worse in survivability!

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The A7 still fires DM53? The whole point of the new high pressure gun L55A1 was to use the new DM73 and DM83 shells. DM83 still not fully adopted, but DM73 is the current service round and should get 10% more pen than DM53.

Also the armor values are too low. Speed @Bundeswehr page should be 63 km/h. Its also said it got a new transmission for better acceleration. Nothing from all this is ingame.

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Ofc gajoobles knows it better then kmw or bundeswehr what kind of armour speed etc the leopard 2a7v has

but dear god a piece of paper with a picture of stalin is enough to buff ru tanks :)

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You telling me after all of this we didn’t get the armour we didn’t get the unique shell that the new gun offers and all we got is a 2A6 with fancy thermals

It has been long overdue to put those Russians back into their place.

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No we got a 2a7v with worse armor then the 2a6 lol

So reality is weaker than in-game?
Well, weaker in the sense that there’s less air.

There’s reason I play all modes all tech trees.
Still got 4 tech trees to finish.

It is a bit annoying that 2A7V is only as armored as T-80BVM instead of as armored as T-90M.

Tho it’s a funny irony that Sweden retains best tanks at top for a while longer… that are German in origin.

@Godvana
Tigris is literally just a Tiger E without APCR… no upgrade.

Even a Noob like me can see the additional armor on the edges in form of track segments.

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It’s 15mm more armor…
Not gonna save it from 75mm APCR or 76mm APCBC.

Its more armor.

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It’s got demonstrably better armour tho



2A6


2A7


DM53 at 2km
sidebar didn’t show up my bad


here


vs here ?

Now tell me that the armor it “has” is better
2a6 bounces? and kills breach = you survive + you can just drive away
2a7v driver engine ammo radiator= do i need to explain what happens in the next 6-7.1 seconds ?

sorry i dont see it as better

In the end the armor is just dead weight

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What?

It is a bit annoying that 2A7V is only as armored as T-80BVM instead of as armored as T-90M.

It’s not even as armoured as the BVM?? The hull is significantly weaker, the beak doesn’t offer near the same protection, new internal composite is missing, the Duel Add-On plate makes the upper plate weaker than it is on the 2A6 lmao.

You literally trade one weak area (beak on the 2A6) for another (UFP on the 2A7V), while also being less mobile (because Gaijin didn’t bother to make it accelerate as fast as a 2A4, even though it should be), but also added new armour holes to it, and made the turret weaker against CE munitions.

The only benefits it brings over the 2A6 are hull spall liners, and 3rd generation thermals.

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The topic about the state of Germany. About our problems, but nothing about pluses. That the state

Bloody dissappointing.

A single tiny ricochet spot doesn’t outweigh a massive upgrade in armor everywhere else. Plus, you’re looking at DM53 at 500m. At more reasonable ranges shells you’ll fight will have a much harder time getting through. Look at 3BM60 for example.

It’s not tiny spot mate? It’s the entire upper plate. I tested it in-game, and it will never stop anything with more penetration than 3BM-46.

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Check the sentence after that. Cause from the IRL pic it looks closer to the hull than the in-game one we have.

lol did you think people would see a post titled “the state of Germany” and be like “wow that’s a great place to talk about how good my favourite vehicles are!” Course not, forums are magnets for negativity and complaining.