So you’re changing your argument to power to weight means nothing because someone correctly critiqued your poorly reasoned historical report…
Poorly reasoned ? Please let me hear what is poorly reasoned.
I have deleted everything is clearly gaijin doesn’t care to reas or reason. I’ve tried showing in a video that a ifv with no turret weighs less that a tanks of the same hull with a turret… Go figure the turret has weight.
What exactly you critiqued all you said was bahhhhh tranmission…
Real genius you are excellently reasoned and seasoned
HP is not the primary acceleration factor.
Torque, and how that powerplant gets that torque to the ground is the acceleration factor.
This is why modern tanks use automatic transmissions with torque converters, and are made as robust as possible.
And the more efficient the transmission the better the acceleration.
This is how Leclerc and Type 10 likely have the best mobility on the planet IRL.
Using HP/T in discussions about acceleration is a bad metric when the T-80U vastly loses to Leopard 2A5s in acceleration.
That and ground physics currently make most vehicles over-perform in mobility currently anyway.
Amazing you really open my eyes there, and the fact that it is the namer is made out of merkava 4 hulls with merk 3 engine which is less powerful in all aspects means nothing ?
What I wanted to show is that a vehicle with engine that is less powerful ( 2,135 N·m, here you go in torque).
Can preform the same as a vehicle with more powerful engine 4545 N·m. Because they don’t have the same weight.
Anyway what happened here is that you saw that i used the word horse power and not torque, and you wanted the opportunity to show that you know the word…
Which is impressive, really well done.
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No, I wanted you to dig deeper and learn more about the subject matter for better bug reports in the future.
AKA, I offered help.
Nothing of what I said opposes your ideas or desires.
All of it is to incentivize you to learn more, and with that knowledge make a better bug report with an expanded knowledge pool.
No, I appreciate all help, I don’t appreciate to be antagonized.
I try to be respectful to all opinions, but I don’t support saying to some one go study something or saying your opinions are poorly reasoned without actually inserting any new information or opinion.
You were intending to antagonize, not trying to help
I was not antagonizing you.
My first reply was quite literally imploring you to learn more, that’s it. No seriously, my tism had the most literal statement formed in a manner of “Hey, you could easily form a far better bug report by learning more.” typed the way it was type.
My second reply I can see may have been rude as a response to something I saw as rude. For that one I apologize.
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then peace on to you brother.
Merkava isnt 85t
The new variants might be 80t(probably the barak) but the old ones are 65t
So the new ones should have even better armor
So if we talking about m4m with good armor and normal aps with lets say 75t is is defenitly a buff
I really don’t think we can make these kind of statements… We don’t have enough information.
It was probably heavy when it came out in 2006, and it gained some weight with trophy new armor ecc… but not sure how much.
Idf allready said 80t in some video
So we can say that merkava is around 75 80t
At least the new variants
I´ve seen no indications of that. Mind you, Merkava weight in general (not just Mk.4) has been secret. The “65t” figure was initially announced by official channels as “more than 65t” and then the internet only kept the “65t” part. This happened more than 20 years ago.
Regarding armor itself, except for the skirt plates I believe everything is mostly unchanged except some minor structural stuff that was improved early on.
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I agree really. Only thing I can’t I can see them changing is the layout/materials in the composites. Other than that no significant difference in looks other than the aps system
“Yad lashiriyon” which is an official idf tank museum says merkava is 65t
It was long ago so i assume its early variant cuz idf said in a pretty new video that merkava is 80t
Also barak and merkava lic for exmple are known to be more protected
Yad Lashiriyon is paraphrasing the official figure of “more than” 65t that was put out there so many decades ago.
The only way to explain such massive difference in weight -from 65 to 80 tons- would be via an armor change, a very significant one. Yet all the evidence we have indicate that the armor modules of todays tanks are pretty much like the ones back from 2006. We can´t rule out that some aspects of the modules may have been improved somewhat but the overall disposition looks the same, the bolts are placed in the same spots, etc.
With the skirt plates its different because we can know there are at least 6 variants with wildly different weights (the first plates weighted like 40kg and the newest ones used in the current war are 90kg, for example), which does indicate an increase in protection effectiveness. But for the armor modules we don´t have any indication in this direction.
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I doesnt see a source that says 65t+
Also gaijin ignores the + so it doesnt matter
Same case with python 5 that have 20km+
All I can say that the lying about the weight has done its intended purpose…
Gaijin is successfully underestimating the tank’s armor.
Joking aside, I do think they know they underestimating the weight and armor, and are waiting for some proof to correct it, mainly the weight.
Obviously they have some russian contacts and secret information available to them, and they don’t want to show what they know and don’t know.
I think the way to go other than what alan is doing, the video I edited showing namer and merkava doing the same muddy slop. We should find some one more apt than me at counting pixels and calculating the different performance of these two machines…
And chances are you won´t ever find them, I´ve tried as well. Most of the blogs and specialized websites from back then are 404 or similar so we are going mostly from my memory. And nothing tells you aren´t young anymore than this XD.
way back machine for help