Let's beat that horse dead- Merkava's Armor

It isnt praising the glorious russia… they just havent seen it yet to take it down

But that’s actually because of weight distribution, because of the engine and armor in front, it is a bit heavier there which gives it better traction to pass obstacles. Not necessarily because of high hp/weight.

As for the weight my guess is that’s near the 80 tons… Namer is weighing 60 tons… if you add the turret, turret basket, gun armor that will weigh quit a bit

Why would they take it down ? We are very nice and polite pipulz

Cause anything Israel sadly gets taken down, I watch any new thread get reverted back to the echo chambers of the main threads. I find it highly hypocritical that they don’t listen to factual information about certain nation’s capabilities and shut you down but will accept info on a missile that was never built (ifykyk by now)

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And ships… and everything else gathered via “trust me bro” means

When there’s already a topic that addresses this topic, this topic is objectively spam.

You can tell I don’t post on these topics usually because while I love the Merkava tank, my armor knowledge is little and I won’t speak on matters I don’t have knowledge on.

I know mass and rules, which is why I’ve told people that changing the mass of a vehicle will not change the armor.

Well makes sanse the new variants are 80t bit u can see its not as slow as the chally

crazy cause it seems gaijin has said and literally stated otherwise when it comes to this specific tank.

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Spam ? Last time a I wrote in here was about 3 years ago… and it’s a forum we can speak about whatever…

You don’t need to know about armor, to know something isn’t working right…

Basically none in here has any idea what modern tanks are capable of, not even the engineers who design this stuff are 100%.

I read a lot about american main yelling about “but ma DU armorrrrrr” like it some adamantine or something.
Or like Israeli main talking about SLERA, yea we started saying it’s SLERA after we saw a commercialy available patent of RAFAEL talking about composites and explosives, and we saw writing on the armor with “caution explosives”.
But we still have no idea what it is capable of…

What we do know is purpose, means and intent :
And i believe the game should be modeled after this,
We know that USA has money ? Enemies? Yes, purpose : balanced mbt, It’s war is far away ? Then abrams should be heavily armored in the front (should stop to high degree all apfsds from the front. You can call it DU, you can call it Abs magic mix, I don’t care)

Germany : money ? Yes, enemies ? Maybe ?, purpose balanced mbt. The leo should be similar to abrams with lesser degree of armor because they invest less money, and has no real nation threat.

Israel : money ? Yes, enemies ? Yes, purpose of the tank : increased survivability (means sacrifices fire power and mobility). Merkava should be the most heavily armored tank, with frontal armor needs to at least be able to withstand what the egyptians abrams are shooting, with other stats suffering.

USSR: money ? No, enemies ? Depends who you ask, purpose : soviet style mbt.
Russia in real life does not have the means nor more importantly reason or drive to actually make good working weapons, their heart is just not in it, their technology level is basically 20 years old.
In game they can continue to have magic armor so they can participate in top tier.

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Someone knows if they will finally fix the front turret armor parts of the Merkava Mk.3 ?

There is no composite and the turret spall like it’s 1 meter armor and kill all crew while they seat far below the top of the turret if hull down.

Not in the near future

why are you betting MY life savings XD

Except if they change the weight i guarantee they still won’t buff the armor lol

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Because you were willing to do it yourself lol, as such I am willing to make you even more money

The link is 404. Do you have the full doc?

I’m very confused, why won’t it show the link… I’ve managed to download the document but the system won’t accept it.

Can i upload pdf files ?

  • In the meanwhile search the title in google, it’s the first result.
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BTW what caught my eye regarding the source you shared, its describing exactly how the Rafael patents state they deal with KE. So they were working on the concept well in advance of Merk 4 fielding. So I´m absolutly adding this source to my articles.

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Yea, i believe that the mark 3 had this armor, probably even a rudimentary type on mark 2. Then probably Mark 4 had the next generation of this armor plastered all over with improved geometry and coverage.

No, Mk.3 didn´t have these elements but the whole idea of using ERA/NERA together was first realized in Mk.3. Back in the 90s. Israel disclosed this information to the PRC via an official visit by General Israel Tal. This first incarnation of the concept comprised simply of ERA layers placed in between NERA layers. This ERA was meant to not detonate on KE, hence acting like spaced steel layers. I also have a patent describing exactly this.

Regarding Mk.4 whats the most important is that I confirmed the elements described in the 2004-2008 patents are still present in the armor modules used in the war nowadays. Perhaps over time each of the elements has been made more efficient but thats speculation territory.

Yea I meant that the that they used explosives with NERA they it got more and more sophisticated…

My guess that it is in in active research since israel learnt about composite armor, and they tried to integrate it with the ERA technology they had