Replace storage site with Factory of origin though.
Should probably change the Cambrai skin to fictional or semi historical. I can’t find any record of 08SY97
Chieftain with German ww2 “Hinterhalt” camo
Could you find out if they have any liners that are orange and hang down from the ceiling? As in a video I saw them and couldn’t really tell what their purpose was other than maybe catching spall or something the owner put in to reduce moisture. As it was left in a field for years with the gun still being active and the ammo racks still being in place.
Just had another look and the material is a beige colour with a gortex looking texture to it. May be the rubber that your on about.
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dear christ HOW MANY MARKS AND UPGRADES?
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All of them
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It is clear that the Chieftain Mk3 should go straight down to 8.3, and the Mk5 should replace the rangefinder with a laser rangefinder. The Chieftain mk3 is almost one of the worst MBTs of 8.7
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I found something
Spoiler
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Reminds me of the IR detection system that was dropped at some point in production because it had a high fault rate
You found an event vehicle XD
" Not to mention the layout of the Chieftain makes it one of the most survivable vehicles on a penetration, so long as you use a reasonable ammo load."
Not true at all. Chieftain has its charges stored behind the turret in a vertical fashion, if you bring 16 rounds the entire back side of the crew compartment is filled with ammo. You are probably gonna die to most hull shots no matter how poorly they are placed. Same can’t be said about the leo, if you hit a leo on the right facing it you have a chance of not actually killing it in one shot. the M60 actually shares this issue with the cheiftain, I haven’t used it personally but I have one shot it multiple times shooting the right facing it dispute the crew being allocated to the left. I don’t know what you mean by most survivable. A cheiftain normally takes 2 shots to kill when hull down and one when not. This is pretty much like any other tank at this br. I’d say the leo is more tanky for the already mention characteristic it has.
“This is a perfect demonstration of what I am talking about. I’ve used all these vehicles as well and never had any issues with spalling for these cannons, even 17 pounder APDS.”
Nah, there are HUGE problems with the 17 pounder’s APDS, most people don’t take it for a reason, it doesn’t “spall” it you just have to hit the targets directly with the round, which I don’t mind since it offers good pen. And u can’t say skill issue, I clearly wayyyy more experience than you when it comes to these tanks. The apds doesn’t spall well, nor does the 20 pounders APDS. 6 pounder is a great gun tho, had no issue with it too.
I don’t see why you find it such a big issue for the cheiftain to get the laser range finder. The 8.7 m60 is very comparable to the cheiftain, it also has a trollish turret, NEITHER of which by the way can reliably bounce rounds ofc. They just bounce the occasional rounds, I have played both the cheiftains a fair bit, and I also have shot at them a fair bit. The m60, while i don’t have, just looking tru it in armour inspector you can already tell its a decently armoured turret, it’s mantlet for one is very trolly and the turret sides viewable from the front are angled enough to bounce APDS. Both of these tanks are nearly identical in their speed, armour (m60 better tho since it has ERA)… not fire power tho, m60 has a better round. So to level the playing field the cheiftain can then get the lazer range finder, now both have their advantages.
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And the M60 is more maneuverable than Chieftain.
Funny story: In Haynes manual they talk about how chieftains cross country performance was as fast as the Leo 1s
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Yeah but if they started implementing accurate off road performance the t34 will suddenly only be able to go 15mph on mud and the challenger would become one of the fastest mbts off road due to the suspension. Mainly due to irl tanks have things called crew and they are quite squishy, and they really don’t like going over rough terrain. I am exaggerating btw but just emphasising how usefull suspension is irl.
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The Leo also has an extremely large vertical first-stage ammo rack. Unlike the Chieftain, this ammo is not given any additional protection against spalling. A shot to the left has a 100% chance to kill a Leo, and a shot to the right we’ll be conservative and say 50%. Compare that to a generous 70% of killing a Chieftan in a hull shot (assuming you even get through, the Leo of course has far worse armour). When facing an an opponent, I’d rather have a 50% shot that works 100% of the time than a 100% shot that works 70% of the time.
It’s funny you think that M735 is even close to on par with L15A3. I’ll just say from someone who has actually used both- it’s not. It’s definitively worse, especially after the nerf. And the ERA only provides protection against ATGMs and HEAT-FS (which no competent player is picking over APDS or APFSDS by 8.7). Plus, it only provides protection for one shot. A solid hit from a 9M113 for example detonates all the ERA bricks on the turret or hull (depending on where the hit was). Plus, the 8.7 M60A1 RISE doesn’t have LRF. That’s only available on the TTS, at 9.0 like the Mk 10.
And finally, the protection of the M60 and Chieftain are definitely not “nearly identical”. Here’s a comparison of the M60A1 RISE and Cheiftain Mk 5 vs 3BM-8 at 800m, a neutral mid-capability shell both very commonly face and a pretty normal range for the BR.
As you can see, both have glass LFPs and impregnable UFPs. That’s pretty much to be expected. However, the M60 has a much more vulnerable turret, with the turret ring area being a significant weak spot, along with the area around the gun and mantlet and of course the cupola if using one of the rare tanks with APHE still. The Chieftain has much smaller patches of penetration around its gun, which are pretty inconsistent if hit. There’s a rather trolly mix of “penetration is possible” and “penetration possibility is low”
So in conclusion, the M60A1 RISE has lower armour than the Chieftain, slightly better mobility, less powerful ammunition, and a better reload rate. The two are very balanced both with each other and the BR as a whole. The Chieftain does not need a LRF to compete with it. Again, remember, most MBTs don’t get LRF until BR 9.3. Especially not ones with excellent armour and firepower.
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“The Leo also has an extremely large vertical first-stage ammo rack. Unlike the Chieftain, this ammo is not given any additional protection against spalling. A shot to the left has a 100% chance to kill a Leo, and a shot to the right we’ll be conservative and say 50%. Compare that to a generous 70% of killing a Chieftan in a hull shot (assuming you even get through, the Leo of course has far worse armour). When facing an an opponent, I’d rather have a 50% shot that works 100% of the time than a 100% shot that works 70% of the time.”
Spall doesn’t often cause ammo detonation in the first place, you need to hit the ammo nearly or just square on for it to go off. The amour around the ammo isn’t too much useful in practice. From the front the leos rack shows a smaller area than from the front. So from the side its easier to ammo rack the leo, but from the front it’s easier to ammo rack the cheiftain. It’s easier to oneshot a cheiftain, just shoot the hull and more likely than not your round will travel far enough to hit the charges in the back, poorly placed or not like i said previously. Same can’t be said about the leo, I don’t know where you got these 100, 50, and 70 percent figures from. They hit the hull in the cheiftain you are dead most of the time, from both knowledgeable and unknowledgeable enemies (or just people who hit the right side of the tank on accident). Leo not so much, the ammo is better placed.
You proceeded to show side views of the tanks for the ammo, probably more clearly shot it but that’s not what this conversation was talking about since i clearly mentioned from the front. Ill then provide images of a more relative perspective.
Notice how the ammo on the cheiftain fills almost the entire rear of the crew capartment? this is what I was refering to, you nearly almost always get oneshot with a hull shot in the cheiftain. Regardless if they hit right or left. The leo however this isnt the case… just ignore the massive ammo rack in the front of the tank since that’s normally not filled unless bringing max ammo. Ive had more trouble killing leos in one shot from specifically the hull mind you than the cheiftain, but thats only due to poor shot placement, if I actually have the opportunity to aim both can die to one round easily. But you often unintentionally one shot the cheiftain purely because the ammo takes such a large area.
“It’s funny you think that M735 is even close to on par with L15A3. I’ll just say from someone who has actually used both- it’s not. It’s definitively worse, especially after the nerf. And the ERA only provides protection against ATGMs and HEAT-FS (which no competent player is picking over APDS or APFSDS by 8.7). Plus, it only provides protection for one shot. A solid hit from a 9M113 for example detonates all the ERA bricks on the turret or hull (depending on where the hit was). Plus, the 8.7 M60A1 RISE doesn’t have LRF. That’s only available on the TTS, at 9.0 like the Mk 10.”
From armour inspector tho they look like comparable rounds, as well as their stat card stats. They are almost identical, I shouldn’t have said m60s is better, but I would say its onpar in terms of pen. Tho since i haven’t used the m60 RISE i cannot really comment with confidence, this is just speculative. ATGMs are common at this br however, the ERA would certainly prove to be helpful.
Tho. You did change my mind, not that it was particularly that fixed on the range finder. It doesn’t need the range finder, I didn’t know the m60s APFSDS was as bad as it was. They are very comparable tanks, no need for the lazer. This might be a case of decompression being needed, because while the m60 is very comparable to the cheiftain, the T55AMD isn’t. It’s a better tank. Its even better than the fellow soviet tank the t-62.
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Awesome.
