Yep that´s hilarious.
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Its cuz gaijin has been handholding russian players for so long they genuinly dont understand how to play the game at a semi-competent level anymore.
Playing Russia is literally like playing the game on easy mode, so theyre slow to adapt to any performance increase any other nations get
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Yeah and they are only nation that when other nation get something good that barely comparable to them their win rate drop faster than anyone else
Like the Abramses don’t have a ridiculously obvious one shot spot on their turret? That you can also hit when hull down?
I am the one with a skill issue while you struggle to one shot an abrams lol?
Suprise suprise I have better stats than you in both the 2A7V and SEPv1.
The fact that you can’t even get a 2 K/D with your 2A7V even with DM33 shows much more of a skill issue.
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And yet, even with my lower stats, I have no issues dealing with Leo’s Abrams, or any other NATO tanks, and don’t come to the forum to cry about how OP a spall liner is lmao.
You’re so dead set on your idea that the Leo 2A7V is some kind of god engine thats night impossible to defeat that you cant see it for what it really is; a optics upgrade to a 2A6 with some other very slight differences.
The whole argument against the 2A7V is “its winrate is too high!!!” despite the fact that if we actually go by winrates of nations to determine what MBT is “best” in-game we end up with this list;
- Strv122’s (sweden/70.35%)
- Leclerc SXXI (france/66.645%)
- Ariete AMV (Italy/65.27%)
- ZTZ99A (China/63.96%)
- Type 10 (Japan/63.676%)
- Leo 2A7V (Germany/62.741%)
- Merk 4M (isreal/62.36%)
- Challenger 3 (Britain/58.912%)
- T-90M/T-80BVM (Russia/55.027%)
- M1A2 SEPv2 (US/40.376%)
This is obviously wrong, as as ALREADY mentionned, tanks like the 2A7V, T-90M, T-80BVM, and M1A2’s are all actually near the top in capabilities in-game, but its ALMOST like there are OTHER factors to a nations winrate… something like new and accessible premiums allowing new players direct access to top tier matchmaker immediately.
Obviously the 2A7V is good, nobody is saying its bad. Nobody is saying its armor is worse than the M1A2 either, but the M1A2 is more mobile, its crew is more spaced out, its blowout rack is much better, and so is its crew placement.
Saying dumb stuff like
is just false, and quite frankly just pointless for conversation, almost as if you’re actively trying to troll or incite a reaction lmao.
- Gen 3 thermals at top tier isnt special
- Good turret armor isnt special
- No APFSDS at top tier is special (since there isnt a single top tier tank that notably struggles with pen)
- Spall liners are only notable in side on snapshots
Its a marginally better 2A6, which was itself a decent, but otherwise pretty basic tank at top tier, with slightly better armor and much worse optics until the 2A7V was released.
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Bad take. You ignore many factors. Tank height is one if you’re using soviet vehicles, at close range you can’t do anything to the UFP. You have to pixel snipe sideshots, and it has conveniently 3 crew so at best you will kill 2, only for a second later to be shot back. Another thing I noticed is with how bad the networking is, you can just wiggle your turret and maybe even hull and end up sponging everything. I haven’t seen a single T90M on SQRB, everyone runs 2A7V for a reason. It’s the most powerful tank by a large margin
Sure you can, tf are you talking about lmao. Here’s a shot from a lower angle, still pens just fine:
They run the 2A7 because most people have it and it fits squibs well. You know what other tanks have been popular in the past in squibs? Merk 4M and Black Knight, because they also have their own unique niches in squibs. BVM’s are also pretty common in squibs, seeing as its such a good tank and mobility is at a premium.
Squibs is its own gamemode with its own unique set of factors, the REAL bad take here is pretending that squibs is the determining factor of a vehicles potency in-game.
Try that in an actual match. The results will differ substantially.
It reflects an important fact when it comes to vehicles. The one that is marginally better will always perform the best.
My personal issue with this isn’t the amount of armor. It’s the retarded spall liners coupled with the broken side armor every leopard has.
“pixel shot” lmao.
The side liners are no longer what they were at release day, as long as you hit in the general vicinity of the turret ring, a 2A7V is dead.
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My experience is the opposite when dealing with spall liner leopards. Although, with the ones that don’t 2a6/5, sideshots on them seem to cause more spall than they generally used to
Or it’s like I care about actual balance while you don’t mind b3cause tou have always favored Germany.
The SEPv2 is litterally a downgrade of the SEPv1. It is that bad. Just because you have a skill issue when it comes to aiming against an Abrams doesn’t suddenly make it super survivable.
The little extra armor and spall liners is far more valueble than whatever crew spacing advantage the Abrams is supposed to have.
Sure 10x is a bit of an overexaggeration, but the Leopard 2A7V and 122s really are in a league of their own.
Never gotten into a match with a total of 2 players before, that’s new.
You’re missing the point. I said an actual match for a reason. There are framerate and ping issues that somehow interfere with what will pen and what not. The starstreak is a good example on this, whereas if both parties don’t have a good connection the dsync will cause the missile to phase through. Likewise you may shoot a tank in the breach and it will end up registering the shot on the cheek
Irrelevant. I even did it as “close range” (your argument).
3BM-60 can easily defeat the upper plate (funnily if the 2A7V survives the first penetration, the add-on is technically destroyed, and the upper plate then works as it should… shattering APFSDS).
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I mentioned networking in my argument. You’re cherry picking. And as far as I know the german ufp values are incorrect, they should be equal to the strv or higher
I mean, it was my first nation sure, but I play more of US and Russia over the last 2 years xD
Never said I had an issue lol, I said its more survivable than a 2A7V, seeing as it has better crew layout and a better blowout panel setup. You sound like you’re getting pretty mad kid, maybe go touch some grass instead of malding about a pixel tank online.
Its a situational sidegrade, better armor vs HEAT and IFV’s when side on, otherwise its worse cuz its heavier and has a taller profile.
Because blaming networking on not-penetrating something is an F tier argument, it’s basically a bootless errand to address it… All top tier Russian MBTs with 3BM-60 can and will perforate the upper plate, yet you acted like “nu uh, they never will”.
I prove you wrong, and you start to goalpost it to reason X, Y, Z as to why it might not happen sometimes (bruh).
And as far as I know the german ufp values are incorrect, they should be equal to the strv or higher
Indeed they should be, but they aren’t.
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Ah yes, the good old “It was lag!” argument.
Truest sign of skill issue lmao
Yeah I should start blaming russia for something that’s missmodeled in game like you.
I don’t care what tier argument you think it is. The fact it happens, and I’ve even present an example is more than enough to raise a point. You are here just to defend an overperforming vehicle. 3bm60 and the t80 aren’t the only vehicles in game
What.
3bm60 and the t80 aren’t the only vehicles in game
True, they aren’t. Most other vehicles have more powerful projectiles that will have even less issues penetrating the upper plate, to name a few;
- CR3 TD
- Type 10
- all M1A2s
- Merkava 4s with M338
- Strv 122s
- CV90120
All of those will defeat the upper plate as well, some of them can even penetrate the beak at closer distances (CR 3 TD for example…).
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