sorry i meant just the effect of ERA after the update. my mistake
Just noticed a moderator linked my post to the issue about the low fragmentation after pen bug. So maybe its better now. i havent tried today but seems like it was an issue they are on top of.
I suggest you go back and read about the development of the Leo2 IMP series and KWM’s show cars in recent decades. Your opinion will change after that.
what ? i do not understand your point. When i said the Strv122 are way worse it is in the sense they are more unfair in the way of armor and spall liner compared to german cersion
Isn’t that the truth? yeah you can’t deny that Russia dominates for too long over the years and honestly for me Strv122 are not really OP it the best example on how hull armor should work strong UFP weak LFP how it can go wrong? what is wrong is Gaijin still don’t give it to other tank (due to being lazy or something i don’t know)
No brother, there was an actual bug. We arent here becouse “we are russian mains now crying we cant one shot a leo”. Like I said, we brought it to the forums againts the BVM, againts the Pantsir, againts the ka50. All balancing issues that were brought to forums and adressed. All vehicles mentioned went through nerf and balancing. This new update is the same, we bring it to forums when some vehicles are more broken than others to fix issues. Its not fanatism for any nation. Issues with fragments after armor penetration — We’re aware
i genuinely have no clue so do correct me if im dreadfully wrong, but aint a starboard side hit to the ufp a instant knockout on any lep 2? (given you actually pen the damn thing)
Exceptions prove the rule 2A7V maybe not, as well all Strv122, standard german leopards definitly
The spall problem affected all top tier MBT´s, from the Abrams to the Merkava, with and without spall liners (the ones without spall liners get reduced ammount of spall, there was the issue) That´s why this issue has been the priority to fix of the dev´s. All top tier tanks has this issue Abrams, Challys, Leos, T90M/80BVM, STRV122, Merkava, Type10/TKX, VT-4, WZ1000, Leclerc… Even the Ariete. That was a common problem among all top tier MBT’s cause it affected those without spall liners.
When we discuss the facts, please don’t talk about the balance of the game. This leads to more errors.
In fact, the test tanks of the Leo2 IMP series are already equipped with a full spall liner, including the driver and the front of the ammo rack, which are not covered in the game.
Among them, the Leo2 TVM-1 (D-tech test tank) was developed as the basis for the Strv.122, and the spall liner has always been fully equipped.
Leo2 TVM-1 later exhibited as a technology tank for KWM, and was converted into the Leo2A6 EX, and the body of the demo2 was used for the Leo2 PSO demonstration in 2006~2009.
All Leo2 built or modified after the Leo2IMP has a full spall liner.
Please abide by the facts.
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at worse they could just copy/paste Strv122 armor into 2A7 and call it a day but no B tech is what it got (even worse than 2A5 if not for composite screen in front)
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that is nice for you, doesnt change that in the current state of the game the Leo 2A5 and 2A6 does not have spall liners in the chassis genius, and we werent able to provide enough sources to prove it either. I am talking about the game standpoint of the game. BECAUSE THIS IS A GAME if you might not have noticed it yet. Take your smart ass else where
Guys no fighting we are in the same boat. Be respectful eachother
yeah sorry, but we dont need a smart ass to come here who has no clue what he is talking about when we are talking about the game balance or current steps we where able to take to buff the vehicles .
That is just completly retarted, because this whole thread is about the balance of the game. And we precisely arent able to prove with enough sources yet that the 2a5/6 have the spall liners with enough sources to implement it. His delussions simply are not facts that is the point
No they haven’t. BVM’s UFP has been spalling just as much as Ariete MBT or Vidar.
T-80BVM & T-90M still have the same firepower as Leclerc & Challenger 2, while having significantly less armor than all Strv 122s.
Your defending of BVM is acknowledged, but it’s not necessary.
Just because you can’t prove that someone else can’t. It’s hilarious.
I understand that this is a game and we need to have a balance.
But there should be a basis for discussion,
someone is looking up/collating information for the vehicle,
and you are misleading others in the community.
Understandable, but it is easier to make him understand that what we are talking about in this thread is how to balance the game, in fact we know that Germany and the Leopards are really powerful, even for the game (we all know the nerf over the 2A7V and even over the turret and mantlet of the 2A5 and more) so i think is easier to make him understand than fightin eachother
Then stop being a smartass and make an actual bug report to improve the situation and stop uselessly jabbing around
You genius, i am part of the discord server that collects specialy that information longer then you are. We arent misleading others, it is the current STATE OF THE GAME we are talking about here
he literaly showed with this threads he doesnt care about that when he understands that this thread is about balance and he takes in usless stuff in here
sorry 2.
As for the basis, there are many pictures at present, but documents are still needed, and they are being collected, and I hope that MBTs from other countries will also be able to obtain spall liner as soon as possible. I’m not sure if other MBT data collection is as fast as Leo2 (Leo2’s data is relatively more transparent)