That’s not quite true. Sweden has ordered an upgrade of its Leo 2S to the 2A8 standard, without any Swedish elements added. Denmark has ordered a similar upgrade. The Netherlands will buy 2A8, although they will be included in the Bundeswehr and located in Germany (Gaijin won’t care about that, tbh). Austria and Spain are buying modernization. Switzerland is thinking about upgrading its Leo 2. So there are many.
No. The next upgrade of Leo 2 is planned to be AX. Which was already partially shown in Greece
God, no! Why drag lame/cheap options from irl into the game?
Gaijin is very biased towards other countries that are not the USSR, USA or Sweden. So…
Is it possible for me to ask a question that I have been looking for an answer to for a while and have not found the answer?
why challenges tank have a big lower plate
DM73 is the current standard APFSDS since 2021. DM63 (since 2005) for the older L55 guns, which also holds some benefits over DM53. But ingame we’re still stuck at DM53 from 1998? Why?
Balancing reasons I’d say. Wouldn’t be much fun in top tier if you could rip through the armour of any other tank with terrible shots. As it stands we have to identify which tank we’re shooting at and aim for specific learnt weakpoints on that particular tank.
Adding the latest ammunition would strip all of this away and further degrade top tier to point and click combat.
At this point, no country will produce the 130mm gun, as it is not certified with other countries. In my opinion, a prototype will be made and that will be it (at least for this decade). As I said, the next modification will be the AX, if nothing changes in the original plans.
Doesn’t matter. BAAINBw has already made it a goal for Germany’s Leopard 2s to eventually switch to the 130mm.
As I said, the next modification will be the AX, if nothing changes in the original plans.
Okay? You’re barking up the wrong tree buddy.
Also as I expected, it’s the ASPIS (which is an alternative armor upgrade for Leopard 2A4s…), it’s not the “Leopard 2AX”, as Greece isn’t involved in the development.
Yeah, that’s why it produces and integrates armor protection and other elements that belong to KMW/KNDS in Leo 2. If it were an independent company, it would sell these packages to other countries, which it does not do, since all rights belong to KMW/KNDS xD
ASPIS is a development by an independent company tho? EODH isn’t KMW’s subsidiary or anything.
rights belong to KMW/KNDS xD
KMW doesn’t have any rights to things produced by EODH…
While this is for the time being including an already adopted solution, an option remains open to integrate the new EODH armour kit, should this provide the expected results, the ASPIS being currently under testing by independent entities, one of them being the Dutch TNO EDR On-Line understood, following successful industrial trials at the company. Final results are expected before year end.
But KMW and EODH are indeed partners, as the latter is responsible for production of Leopard 2A7s hull add-on kits, as they inherited production and intellectual rights to these from the now defunct IBD…
Clearly the armor kit not selling like freshy baked buns not even two years after It’s been unveiled must means it can’t be sold due to X, Y, or Z, right?
Wait, wait. You say that it is independent. It produces its own goods and offers its own services. So, as a company, it can freely participate in tenders and sell goods to other countries, right?
So I ask, why doesn’t it do this, if similar companies do it? It could participate in the same tender in Chile, and no one would say anything to it, unlike in Turkey
There is 3 KF 51 variants right now in existence / in development
KF51 130mm version tech demonstrator, this one was built on a leopard 2a4 chassis. Rheinmetall is not allowed to export a 2a4 chassis for their standalone mbts
2.KF51 EVO (Hungary )120mm cannon on a büffel chassis a modified leo 2a4 chassis for a armored recovery vehicle and seems like strikeshield capability, importantly ammunition is man handled
IMBT (Italy) Italian version of the KF51, completly newly developed chassis between rheinmetall and Leonardo. Comes with 120mm and autoloader. Italian developed engine and transmission
Furthermore Italian passive armor from Leornado, Rheinmetall being in charge of the active protection system. Italian FCS with ability to shoot 120mm Vulcano ammunition. A guided ammunition shot from tanks La joint venture Leonardo Rheinmetall Military Vehicles per i nuovi corazzati dell’Esercito – Analisi Difesa
There are several differences between the 2 versions.
Generaly thats why i recommend to just stay quiet if you only have half knowledge and dont inform yourself about those matters
The KF51 variants aren’t different enough to warrant two being implemented
Yeah I stand by this claim.
I’ve checked through your sources (thanks for educating me) and I can certainly say that at least as of now, and more than likely anytime in the future, these variants aren’t anywhere near different enough. I would even say the Hungarian variant as described in your source isn’t different enough from the demonstrator KF51 to warrant possible implementation if the demonstator were implemented instead of the Italian variant. All we know is its a KF51 with an L/55A1 and slightly different chassis. Big woop.
This is a hopeless endeavour. We don’t have any examples of the ‘best’ vehicle in a tech tree being added twice, variant or not, and I don’t know why you’re so adamant on this because we’ve got a pretty good reason why… It would undeniably be completely unbalanced.
Bit of half knowledge on your end… the Hungarian KF51 does include an autoloader
jesus, then you are completly dellusional, there is literaly more differences in those 2 then the strv122 and leopard 2a5
or leo 2a5 and leo 2a6
we have way less differences in a tank in the game, what is strv122, strv122 b plss and the strv122b+ supposed to be then. Generaly L takes of you and shows you ahve no game knowledge, look at all the challengers, merkavas and arietes with less differences then those 2 KF51 variants, same as ABrams versions in between have less diffrences.
Your take is as bad as it gets jesus
strv122 and strv122b plss and strv122b+ even certainly, sounds more like u did fall on the head
Literaly the tank series with the most armor in the game, even more then 2a7V. Sweden having the 2 best tanks in the game since god knows how long with strv122 and strv122b plss
ah yes i overread it / forgot it because i am to distracted by your oblivionous and bad takes
besides that genius, KF51 series is far of being the best tank.
Its a sister alternative to the 2A7 nothing more
The KF51 is worse armored by quite a bit compared to 2a7 series, its supposed to focus on mobility and trades armor for active protection. That coupled with the autoloaders is just a side step to the 2A7.
Until those dont get the 130mm cannon they are not the best tank, and the demonstrator is worse as well since it lacks a lot of the features that are still getting integrated
So your whole primise is completly wrong and bad in the first place
So I ask, why doesn’t it do this, if similar companies do it? It could participate in the same tender in Chile, and no one would say anything to it, unlike in Turkey
EODH not pitching their products is not grounds to say they can’t pitch them cus “KNDS something”. You’re making heaps in logic to justify your narrative.
