Sure.
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We just need a verified Statement / E-Mail from KNDS that either the community provides or Gaijen obtains. We have thrown almost all sources at this but this brochure is still being used as a “primary source” that is unable to be contested.
Yeah, you can tell it doesn’t go as down as -9, but more than -7.4.
This is -9:
This is -7.4:
Dev hasn’t been updated to -7.67 to compare to that photo, so time will tell when the new gun depression goes live.
Since the internal composite armor and component layouts of the Leopard 2 series (especially modern variants like the 2A5 through 2A8) are strictly classified military secrets with no official data available, the X-ray view in War Thunder is not an official representation but rather an in-game model estimated by Gaijin using limited public information such as patents and external dimensions—with an even higher degree of estimation applied to the newest variants, making your speculation meaningless.
I posted no speculations.
2A7 series tanks are known to use different turrets, & we know that some in-service turret designs for Leopard 2s only allow for -7.67 degrees.
None of these facts are speculation.
Not classified either.
The composites will be; general dimensions of the interior less so. Composites on the roof would also be external, not internal.
So the 2A7V’s -9 degrees of gun depression from using a turret design much closer to 2A5/6’s is likely accurate.
If it isn’t, then the 2A7V’s turret in-game itself would be incorrect.
Even if that was the case, the 2A7V should retain -9 degrees until the turret would be replaced in-game, but not before.
I’d also demand someone prove the 2A7V’s turret is incorrectly modeled if they make such claims.
The spacing between the gun and the SPECTUS camera is significantly larger ingame than in that picture alone.
Either the real Leopard operators broke something, or the gun simply can depress more than it does ingame now.
If anyone ever wonders, this is what the nerf leads to;
And again; where’s Gaijin’s enthusiasm on fixing the underperforming armor and remaking the damage model as promised years ago?
Always negative, never positive.
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Germany’s new T90 Leopards xD
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what? the exact composition of the armor maybe yes but you can literally find pictures of everything online. Inside and outside.
Some people even MEASURED the individual composite blocks on the gun mantlet for a bug report.
To start, you are agreeing with me that the 2A8 can depress more than -7.4 IRL, and I appreciate us in shared agreement.
That’s a bad reference, the better reference is in the previous images:
Those images alone prove that the 2A8 can depress more than -7.4, as the -7.4 screenshot doesn’t show enough of that gap, the straight edge just barely starts to show in the photo:
Getting an angle for the gun over the front hull itself is far more difficult than using the side of the added on steel. So difficult that you yourself couldn’t quite get it.
I can see what you mean but that’s also a bad reference. Unlike irl the turret wedges are for some reason asymmetric on the 2A8, one being too small and the other one being too big
Also the turret geometry on the 2A7 and 2A8 is noticeably different from the other Leos because the old turret model has some pretty bad geometry.
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Where did you see this? Ingame they are -7.4
That bug report is why I used the gap further back.
Seeing the “straight down” portion of the steel in the gap helped me get a good reference as well.
@Kobes-Kamov
I said they are -7.4 in-game on dev server.
-7.67 2A8 was confirmed to be going in a future version of the game in Smin’s post.
I think this was only for the NO version though right?
Edit:
Also, do you have a link to that post?
Copy-pasted turret of 2A8, so it should be both.
The annoying part is 2A7HU’s turret’s likely the same structure, but might not get the updated -7.67.
& 2A7V is most similar to 2A6’s structure, but isn’t retaining -9.
That’s what’s been annoying me for the passed few days.
& I don’t have a link at this time.
Looking at Smins post history I dont see any mention of a change to -7.67 degrees of depression.
I could be missing something though. I am aware a report was accepted that would improve the depression to this level, but I haven’t seen any confirmation that Gaijin will be using this figure over the -7.4 one.
So they dropped the Leopard “rework” they announced in 2023 and (at least that’s how I read it) the Puma ones as well for now? (spall liner, hull armor?)
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which one?
I created an account on the forum simply to refute this claim. Specifically, I’m curious about any changes in the 2A8 that we can’t observe which have worsened depression.
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On the side if somebody goes little bit behind 90 degrees behind u on ur side u can’t aim down and u die because of it, the Armor frontally can’t tank anything on top tier, Gaijin and their biased choices,
(yes biased not even a joke anymore T90M’s auto loader a lot of the times acts as additional armor and i don’t know if it’s only me but i cannot find ANY picture of a T-90M Arena-M with those ERA packs on side or behind, back to the point).
They made Leopards 2a8 into a Sniper tank, and even then Gaijin made Leopard cheek armor fall off after few hits and then the Leopards are just a glass cannons even at the only thing gaijin made the tank good at.
To add the insult to the injurie DM53 at this point is so bad that a lot of the time its spall doesn’t do anything or nonpenns stuff.
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Lets give up guys, they will continue on -7 doenst matter what proov we show them. They dont want to see their comunity happy, only wants the bias to continue