Comically bad arguments like these are why its never getting changed
Just puzzles me why you are speaking in an objectively malicious way towards these reports, gives me impression that they weren’t made in good faith
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look the comment section of the report itself, it’s hilarious, Jecka gave us a wondeful show
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/7cYiyx4JXS6Q
Jecka did a wonder job supplying sources that got the 2A7 nerfed as well
oh COME ON they fixed it on the 2A8 but not on the PSO and 2A7U. Why??? This was reported over 3 years ago!
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Honestly, I don’t think Gaijin will cancel the aiming angle nerf, but we need to get something out of it. Let them choose the DM73, since that’s what they actually used for the L55A1
Also there is a model issue. The wedges are asymmetric with one being too long and the other one too short lol
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yeah good point, is that accurate to real life?
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I agree with everything up here but keep in mind IT IS OUDATED. This brochure was made showcasing what the future of the 2a8 would have and we can clearly see all the advancements and iterations made past then.
The one currently modelled in warthunder seems to be the actual current versions (still we don’t know the specific) but it is absurd to use an old and proven outdated brochure as a “fact” and “primary source”.
Current Iteration:
-APS standard
-Extra plating completing shape around APS
-SPECTUS system located alongside headlights (not affecting depression)
First page of the document:
No APS system
SPECTUS system is in lower position
Specifications Page:
-No APS
-SPECTRUS in middle of hull (super important as current has it NOT BLOCKING GUN DEPRESSION)
comparing both images in brochure, even there are inconsistences. Now compare to the current iteration of 2a8 and it’s a completely different configuration and tank.
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Both of these ideas have been debunked btw
Can you please clarify by what you mean by “these ideas”?
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The gun elevation/depression limits are clearly not due to SPECTUS because the positive elevation is also limited (20 → 17.4 degrees). The SPECTUS would have no impact on this, therefore, SPECTUS is not the cause (or at least the only cause).
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The KNDS brochure does include APS, but it is listed as an optional addition to the vehicle, which is true to real life. Customers can chose to not have the APS if they don’t wish to.
That’s quite a bold claim there. If you’re so certain that it is a mistake why don’t you call up KNDS and ask them to correct it? Surely they don’t want to be doing false advertising for their own tank?
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“The active protection system Trophy has been selected by KNDS as part of its new standard configuration defined as “Leopard 2 A8.””
“The Leopard 2A8 tanks will feature Trophy APS as a standard component.”
Please use proper up to date sources to back up your claims. Thank you.
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Logically a hull mounted sight wouldn’t change the elevation of the gun.
So then logically it’s not the sight that is the reason for the angle changes in the first place.
The Norwegian army doesn’t have that sight installed and do themselves still show a -7.xx number for depression during the inauguration of the tank.
no. They should match the part around the gun barrel…
So that the next second, we get the respone:
“Well, actually, its ai generated”, like ???
It’d be better if gaijin themselves went through the not so very difficult to do process, of writing a letter to knds at this point.
Sweden has chosen not to have it on their 2A8’s they have ordered. It’s an optional addon.
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Is there an actual proof of the fact that swedish strv123B, won’t have trophy installed ?
Because i personally, have not seen any concrete proof of that, we don’t actually know the exact specifications of 123B yet.
If it’s publicly available to download on KNDS own website they can verify it themselves.