I was attacked cause I want 2A7V to be as accurate as possible… wow.
2A7V should still be as accurate as possible.
we already know that Gaijin will pull the WE BELIEVE card again maybe even for new Swedish Tanks but i m 100000% sure it will happen to the 2A8 if we get it and it will happen with the PUMA MELLS and other Tanks so many sources posted even primary ones and we get the its not trustworthy or other bs reasons
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So they believe that D-tech does not exist as main armor and the latest Leo 2 still uses C-tech from the Leopard 2A4 ( 6+ batch )…
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no no B tech
Yeah, gaijin doesnt believe germany ever made anything better than B-tech lmao
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german tanks are just fake, they are made of cartons and a bicycle
Source ? Gaijin :)
Pretty sure PSO is using B tech.
Which makes 2A7V using C tech.
In-game of course.
Best seller of western MBT never get any armor upgrade lol
did Gaijin ever wonder why many nations with acceptable military budget has choose Leopard 2 series as their MBT (even some country in asia) instead of Garbage product from Russia called T-72? heh
and 2A7V in the game are heavier than any Leopard except PSO where they think that weight came from?
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Hopes and dreams that’s the extra weight of course
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@Smin1080p sorry for bothering you, but could You please ask the devs for a more concise answer to this? Because we never get a source of why the 2A7V can’t get an armor upgrade even tho it clearly has been upgraded stated by the numerous ammount of archives and official book stating this and even so we don’t recieve a good answer for this and we would seriously want to know what is the thinking behind this and i’m concerned about the performance of such tanks, thank You in advance.
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Most likely, the first tank to receive D-tech as main armor was the Leopard 2A5 (turret)
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For context:
This appears to be 30 degree arc for either SVT or KVT tanks (B-technology base armour, TVMs only began trials in November of 1992 iirc)!
Important to note, the Leopard 2 TVM with C-technology armour achieved exactly 720mm RHAe KE within an arc on the left cheek & 810mm RHAe KE on the right cheek:
At the same time a version with B-technology achieved 758mm RHAe KE resistance over a 20 degree arc.
Currently no Leopard 2 in the game can match either the B-technology variant, nor the C-technology variant. Basically, Gaijin’s argument here is;
- they rely on Swedish Trials
- they don’t read them at all (duh)
- they make all Leopard 2s underperform compared to Swedish Trial variants
- they refuse secondary evidence based on “nu uh, we don’t believe, also we didn’t read anything you sent us”
There’s actually a term for such, Empty Headed Academic…
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honestly as people have said you could give them all the info inculding classified and a 2A7V to check it on and nothing would change
thats the bullshit part Trial Data is used and it cant even meet that ingame so the armor is made up with believes
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Because that’s exactly what it is…
so can we now use the West German Test Data of the T-72M-1 for all 72s and 90s to make it fair
There really is not sufficient evidence for “internal” D tech armour.
Third generation armour can refer to C tech (third letter of alphabet and D tech is often referred to as fouth generation armour).
Ralph Zwilling is the only one that explicitly mentions it and when asked he basically didn’t have a source or used internet discussions.
Trying to chalk the armour improvements up to some internal armour change to D tech is damaging any credibility for armour bug reports.
If you want to have any hope of getting 2A5 etc fixed, I recommend purely sticking to the sources that talk about protection levels being the same between Strv 122 and 2A5 (obv with no hull add-on and turret roof add-on).
Using Swedish trials directly has been tried in the past and rejected, so I wouldn’t exactly hold my breath.
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For older Leopard 2s I can believe that D-tech was not implemented as main armour, but for the newest ones like the 2A7V, I do think it could have appeared.
It may not be D-technology, in some of the books the wedges are described as such, and that they’re similar to “4th generation spaced composite armour” (which is likely what got people to assume that D-technology equeals internal armour, but it may a completely different thing that’s only loosely connected to D-technology).
We know that the internal armour saw an upgrade on the 2A7V, but we don’t 100% know what kind of armour it exactly is.
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