Leopard 2A7V / 2A7HU discussion & bugs

I plotted the protection of the 2A7V and the protection of the 2A5 by simulating around 300.000 shots each.
Threat is Dm53 (652mm pen)

2A7V According to the devs:

2A7V in reality:
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2A5 in reality:

Notable how much weaker the 2A7V turret is compared to the 2A5, including many more armor holes

There might also be some internal armor plate missing on the 2A7Vs left side.
All hits on the left over the track around the APU can fragment into the engine and radiator

Some notes:

  • The UFP on the 2A5 doesnt pen, but it ricochets into the turret damaging the gun or penetrating (hence green).
  • Some areas on the 2A7V didnt return a simulation value of the penetration, I had to edit that in manually.

I’ll post the 20° from the side to match the swedish trials tomorrow.

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I don’t know what to say… but i feel like 2A7V are unfinish model and because it seem doing good in it current state that why gaijin don’t bother fixing it.

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I’m curious to know how you do this, it’s quite nice and seems much more granular and accurate than the built-in protection analysis tool.

I vaguely remember many years ago when people made a custom mission or something to shoot thousands of rounds on a vehicle to find armour holes, but I doubt I will find it again.

I ask because I have the STANAG 4569 documents which detail testing procedures and protection levels, MANY vehicles that have such protection schemes in-game do not meet it in the slightest., but exact % covered would be nice to obtain

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I feel it as well, the engine and the radiator of the 2A7V are like more exposed (being in the same chassi as other Leo 2 tanks) and the radiator tend to damage with a 50cal side hit or any artillery explosion at 10 meter for example damages it, when on other Leo 2 does nothing. I dont know why but i feel the 2A7V the weaker of the Leo 2 Family in game, when in reality is the best armored in the family. Is like more fragile due to the rushed development and bad modeling issue

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No I might be wrong but isn’t the 2A7 missing the add on roof armour?

2A7V does not have extra roof armour.
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that’s 2A7HU but yes it doesnt have extra roof armor

no dragoon posted a german 2a7V, if its different maybe the danish version.
But 2A7Hu has a completly different camo scheme with even yellow integrated, personaly i love their camos scheme
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i just noticed the cammo i confused it with the HU cuz it had the weird front skirts things

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Hmmm don’t which Leo 2 it was then as I’ve seen some with add on roof armour

happens to the best of us :D

Here is a better angle of it.
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And it will go to Italy TT in the feature (kinda like the look of it)

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I hope so! Italy and isreal need a LOT of help right now. If thier armour wont improve they need to get better tanks.

Well now US really need help a lot it not just bad they now become deadweight to any team they par with even German+Sweden if there are US half of the team it still lose (playing sweden got three lose streak because par with the US)

As expected, no response.

Lol no,thier tanks are fine. Compared to isreal and italy, more amour, better reload, better mobility and better cas / cap. Dont just look at WR go look at the actuall tanks.

I might be wrong, but I think you have the “upper hull” and “glacis” backwards, that aside, its pretty obvious gaijin is outright blatantly lying about their protection for the late leo 2’s matching the swedish trials, and that the entire leo 2’s are underperforming

I rather suspect that they got those two terms wrong in the document itself.
Otherwise, the armour values don’t make any sense.

The developers provided a full article concerning reports on modern MBTs in 2021, detailing how these reports are handled and how modern armour is created: [Development] Reports concerning the protection of post-war combat vehicles - News - War Thunder

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They should update them. Their rules are quite frankly outdated (how do you expect us to properly report newer vehicles when “primary sourcing” is simply not available, better yet, the current reports are all treated as mere suggestions that they can reject on a whim…).

Aside from that I love how Necron’s questions were basically dodged.

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