Leopard 2A7V / 2A7HU discussion & bugs

Old leo 2 manual… (no it’s not classified)

On a sidenote, anyone else find it hilarious that Leo 2 gets it’s gun depression limited because of the FCS limits (-9 over front and +3 over rear), but the Soviet tanks not only have their unstabilised depression angles (1 degree too much) but also get an artificial 1 degree extra because the devs decided to put the “default” position relative to the hull which is angled at 89° instead of 90…
So they essentially get 2° more gun depression than they should.

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U have a link / the full document?

I second this ^^

No and I’m not sure there’s much point tbh.
I have tried reasoning with Gaijin in the past using primary sources and they have been rejected because it didn’t fit their idea of “balance”.

I just wanted to shove it under someone’s nose :)

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A Leo gunner I talked to used both the hydraulic and electrical system said that the hydraulic system is a little bit more responsive/precise in movement and that the electrical takes getting used to. I would be surprised if they are perfectly identical (not just on paper).

Isn’t there even a procedure to use the hand pumps to „fine adjust“ if the powered system is unable to do it precisely enough?

He might think so, but the fact of the matter is that the electric turret drives are just as responsive and precise as the electro-hydraulic ones.
They should even have less backlash (hydraulic fluid is slightly compressible).
It’s just the acceleration profile that differs and it is incredibly minute, but the electro-hydraulic system will change over time and use.

There’s two limits that will be reached before that of the turret drives themselves:

  • The gunner
  • The control handles

The manual handcrank is less precise…
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If we can find the source of that document we are gonna do the arguing for you

Have they decided to fix the 2a7V yet?

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No, they decided to make it worse.

TDv 2350/033-10

While googling for that TDv i found another intrestings looking PDF sadly not inGerman or English
https://docer.pl/doc/8evx81v

though while looking through it it has some snipets of different TDv and gives a source for them

well good we already found multiple sources stating otherwise, which are more believeable then those, the others should be compiling them and notifiyng you.

Just pls dont jump the gun in implementing it, gajin isnt the best in fixing those mistake, like it is proven with the M735 round nerf that happend because of wrongly read documents and isnt fixed yet

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More pages from the operating manual posted before (declassified, it’s for 2A0 and 2A1).

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@_David_Bowie is this sufficient to disprove the bug report?
STAB EIN is one of the three regular operating modes and does not just refer to the FCS limit.
The 40/45 on the page we saw earlier is from the same German manual.

There also is a Polish version but I don’t speak Polish unfortunately.

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Friends… you dont get it…

“Nato tanks bad”
-Source: Gaijin

Every other source even the manufacturer itself: not a reliable source

Its that easy
(Sorry for beeing sarcastic but at this point I have no other choice)

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wait my beloved leotards will be nerfed ?
Because of some document that was out of context or what ?

sarcastic? what? bro did you miss out Gaijins post about Stingers, Abrams and top tier jets?

you accuratly summed up how Gaijin handles balance

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some are trying to nerf them but there are a couple of other people who are right now proving that it is wrong, we might even get a slight buff, if theyre successful.

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Considering that we have an actual operating manual that directly contradicts their secondary sources, hopefully not

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ye but going after that…
Wasn’t a manual shown so we got the 40/40 in the first place ?
and us mains were malding like crazy ?