Leopard 2A4M overpowered at BR 12 needs to be BR 12.7

yes obviously probably DM53 just like the 2a5

KE-W is more than enough for 12.7

I will preface that I have not played it, but I have played nigh every top tier tank, and the Leos around it.
Honestly it is fine at 12.0. In downtiers it doesn’t really "oppress’ anything.

Its armor is lackluster for a Leopard, as the turret is rather weak to top tier rounds, but it can easily tank rounds in the 400mm area, even to the breach. The hull is of a 10.7 2A4, with the 2A7V’s “shatterplate”. The side comp is nice against autocannons. Overall the armor is just, ok.

The shell selection, while fine, is nothing special for the BR. 580mm of pen is standard for the BR. HE is cool and all but you only get 16 rounds of “safe” stowage (turret cheeks get cleaned by good shells into bustle ammo).

Gun handling, mobility, gun angles, depression, sights, reverse, reload, etc. are all good enough or great.

Overall its fine at 12.0. Directly above it is 2A5 and then the 2A7V at 12.7.

how is it overpowered when, at the same br, there’'s m1a1 hc’s and m1a2 with better armor, better mobility, better round, better reload speed with 2a4m advantage only better thermal

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Apart from crew on expert or ace, the abrams can use a reload nerf no question that was Gajin appeasing the US community. The round doesn’t matter at BR 12 when you unlock any APFSDS the weak spots don’t need an ungoldy penetration to do damage. Mobility the abrams has but armor at top tier (except for Russia) is a last resort at minimum. The fact this leopard is a premium and has better overall capabilities than any other premium in other nations is insane for BR 12.

Personally would give it 11.7, where it would be a good strong vehicle. At 12.0 I find it pointless comparing other 12.0 + no line up

Ask gajin for a test drive, it feels like I’m playing top tier Sweden with better thermals. Armor feels okay, but for a premium this is by far the best top tier tank for grinding. Abrams is good after the learning curve but this leo is just great all around