Germany has zero claim to it, as it was made by KNDS-France, which KNDS-Deutschland has no hold over the assets of. It was made so France can show that they have no reliance on Germany for the project of the EMBT
Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 makes no sense for France, Leclerc Evo makes no sense for Germany, 2 companies forming a merger across a nation does not mean ownership of products by a nation unrelated with it
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that part is not exactly true, the leclerc evolution does use the embt turret that was developed together with germany. Germany did have their hands on it.
But literaly anybody agreed to leo 2 arc 3.0 going to germany and leclerc evolution going to france besides the OP of this thread, he made such a mess of this suggestion and had so many things wrong in it, it was crazy.
Honestly with his “suggestion counter” at some point one should just leave the suggestion to people that actualy know stuff about vehicles and the specialist and not to random guys that suggest any vehicle just for the sake of it.
And even then fight the matters when the actual german guys explain his mistakes to him
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Actually it wasn’t, KNS-France and Thales worked on the EMBT Turret as you see in the Leclerc Evolution; It is a different turret, just not wildly different. The original EMBT 2022 Turret is actually a modified Leclerc turret anyways.
I still agree the Leopard goes to Germany and the Leclerc goes to France, but its a common myth that Germany had anything to do with the Leclerc Evo’s turret; In reality, Thales is the one making the internal systems
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embt and evolution are yet slightly altered again, with the launcher integration etc, which might have been purely from the french side yeah.
Generaly if you have sources to the EMBT 2022 i would love to see them, since that is a vehicle that should come to us both.
A heavily modified one, they dont share much anymore
like i said would love the sources for thales on that one, since i am only aware that the intent for joint project was only signed in this year between the 4 companies and the embt being a pure knds france and germany project
Uhh yeah i understand that, just telling that to make it fair as both suggestion is made by the same person and originally only in leopard suggestion that contain "i propose this tank for Germany and not France, although France has as much claim over this tank as Germany does” while leclerc one doesn’t
Sources, you mean like, the signs posted at Eurosatory? Not everything is written in 2008 swiss calligraphy documentation
Yeah, I think its good to echo the sentiment that neither belongs to anything but their home nation
Holy mother of cope brother that’s a lie and it’s so easy to prove that you have no way of defending your argument whatsoever, i Will agree that Germany shouldnt get it but they do have involvement
“Holy mother of Cope” Alright so the modified Leclerc turret with French armor, french gun, french FCS, french ammo, french autoloader, french sensors, french missiles, french companies working on its electronics, french coax, french remote weapons system, is magically German. Amazing, truly
Funny but i cant find anything on that
Besides that german stuff is generaly better documented and shown.
We only saw working videos of the leo 2 arc 3.0 for full funcipnality as example as well.
That does not exist for the leclerc evolution.
Thats why i am asking you for sources which you arent providing.
From our information the turret was developed from the ground up together with germany
Yeah because I’ll just be handed a list of every little part made in the turret.
What part of the turret that would EVER effect War Thunder was made in Germany?
Gun? Nope, been in development before the EMBT was even a thing. ARX-30? French too, Akeron, French, armor, Leclerc base, FCS, again French gun and turret
Every ounce of public information says every thing even remotely relevant to War Thunder would be of full French origin.
Did i ever say the parts are german?
Design placement, what is needed, getting electronicaly everything connected to the hull etc. Getting 2 different systems leo hul and new turret to work together etc etc. Thats collaboration with germany.
The turret design is partialy german.
You are speaking big but still are unable to provide any source about your big thales nexter work on the turret.
Besides that we arent speaking war thunder in this case that is an attempt to dodge the matter.
And its in use ammo is never stated either could use german one as well
Embt 2018 is french, thats just a standard Leclerc turret
But both 2022 and 2024 are partialy german.
1 more then the other
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There isn’t a hint of reasoning I can find under anything that claims the Leclerc Evolution to have an ounce of German manufacturing in it. Nothing in the turret especially, since Ascalon as a turret concept appears to be a proposal for French forces
Either u are acting stupid or you are.
Did i say manufacturing anywhere?
I said the embt turret is pattialy german co developed and it gives a small claim.
U getting way to worked up over this.
The claim is there but very small thats why germans say themself that the leclerc evolution should only go to france.
I am not saying here 70-80 of the turret is done by germany
Oh god, falling back to kindergarten insults.
There is no claim. Not a system I can find that would be made by Germany, not a design at all, in fact KNDS-France is known to make 50% of the EMBT, and since Germany presented a modified Leopard 2 chassis, that would mean…
Cmon, its logic, dude
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The hull is still only a 2a7v hull hasnt been modified like the heavily modified turret.
You know it would all end if you provide your sources on the turret development you are so proudly declaring earlier but not able to back up
Yeah because I’m supposed to just ask KNDS-France to hand me their entire turret blueprints. Because MAYBE Germany having some radio system inside would mean Germany has a claim. That makes so much sense
Neither nation has a claim to eachother’s tanks, its genuine logic, stop Gaijin’ing and pretending modern tanks don’t require the ability to interpret data to understand.
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I am ok with news artciles from reputable sites etc
But seriously with the way yiu are handling it is is no wonder the french tree is in the state it is when you arenr able back up your claims for the bad model etc with sources.
And then u wonder why gajin need to add leopards into their tree
What kind of nonsense stretch is this? I’m the only one submitting ideas and reports for France? What? The French tree is in the state it is out of a sheer lack of commitment, which leads to less players, leading to less money made, leading to less commitment. That is a massive, massive leap in logic from you, which makes absolutely zero sense.
There’s plenty of submissions you can find from years ago with full detail. EBRC? VBCIs? Hell, how long was the Vextra submitted? How dumb of a conclusion.
Not sure how well you trust Defense Magazine, I personally don’t trust any of them at all, but here you can see it specifies KNDS-France.
The only mention of Germany is an engine France already used in the design of the export variant of the Leclerc sent to UAE; Thus showing KNDS-France is the demonstrator of the Leclerc Evolution.
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And that doesnt say anything.
Its about Leclerc evolution being reveiled by knds france. Doesnt talk about the turret specialy.
Thats where it ends then for me if you cant back anything up.
Besides that funny thing. French are mad they csnt sell the turret in the embt 2022 configuration because they arent allowed to use leopard hulls and apparently nobody wants leclerc hulls
https://vxtwitter.com/top_force/status/1863662992849522972?s=61&t=YGgNK-ezyRZrrxIHohYkMw
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