Leopard 1 Suffers

my enjoyment of germany stays with the undertiered BS that the pz 4 J/H is so i dont care to go higher.

I cant call the centurion mk10 better. Its a bloody brilliant tank but its slow and sturdy instead of fast and aggressive, its more a playstyle issue than which is superior.

smack the launcher if you think you can range it right.

I dont play on ULQ so dont fully recognise the map but that looks like test site 2271 to me, the better play was for you to also be hull down on your own hills instead of rushing further in. directly into the killing arc of the enemy. that map is perfect for NATO tanks with good depression like a leopard, its best to force them into your own trap than racing into theirs

pz 4 J

First time I’m hearing someone call the IV J OP. Between the 3(former) 3.7 swedish tanks, that was my least favorite. But off topic so lets leave it there.

he better play was for you to also be hull down on your own hills instead of rushing further in. directly into the killing arc of the enemy. that map is perfect for NATO tanks with good depression like a leopard, its best to force them into your own trap than racing into theirs

Almost as if I am. Here’s what I look like to him. Bit earlier in the game but we were in the same positions.


Also if i shoot the launcher with APDS, it won’t really do anything. Luckily in this situation I’m in a bill so I was able to get the kill, but for a leo 1 that would not have been possible.

wait youre saying an IT is in a good spot while hull down in a bill?

bruh

It’s literally cuz it’s the last game I played, so it’s easier for me to grab screenshots of ATGM carriers in a good spot. I’m not gonna dig through replays looking for something specific when I know that 5 minutes ago I played a game with good enough fights to show how an ATGM carrier in a good spot can be nearly impossible for a traditional non LRF tank to kill.
Also I thought you would have figured out the matchup from the first screenshit, but can’t assume too much on the forums I guess.

your images are compressed to hell dude.

youre just mad that enemies dont just J out

to be clear, the number of atgm carriers in game that dont expose anything vital while firing over cover is far less than the amount that do

hitting a tank at 1km out without ranging? ya, trying to hit a weak spot? good fucking luck.

another upside of laser range finders many dont want to admit is a massive upside, is the fact it gives you the exact range, meaning you dont need to fuck around trying to move your aim up or down to correct the rest of the distance, and when you got a fast moving round, even small movements at 1km or farther goes from being cms to multiple meters for every degree of change you do.

ya no, its quite telling some people still dont grasp theyre bad at balance, remember the j35xs used to be 11.3, and it got its face smashed in constantly. add in theyre just basic aim9p’s (no theyre not aim9p-3 theyre missing pretty much everything that would make them the 3 variant and has carbon copy stats of aim9p) which likes to chase after flairs like a orange cat likes to chase its own tail, meaning the second you start seeing constant flairs (like 11.3 games) youre utterly hopeless unless someone is dumb, mind you this is a compression issue but the point still stands, if planes were spaced out more where the advantages of uptiers arent that much greater than games would be much more balanced.

also the hype around the souma is 100% played up, its a slightly more armoured but much slower amx 50 (toa100), ironically the amx 50 surblinde is likely the most powerful 7.7 having enough mobility to outpace any heavy at its br, enough armour to troll mediums, and the strongest gun with a massive ammo pool to boot.

youre just mad that enemies dont just J out

10/10 English first of all. Second this responds to my point how?

Almost every game I end up running into one or two of them. I think almost all the TTs have a fully hull down TD in the BR range, and I find that there’s a lot more of those(IT-1s, AFT09s, RakJPzs, etc.) than ones with exposed gunners.

100MMs more armor on the front plate alone angled meanwhile the AMX-50 has 50mm souma has 150 and its angled

J35XS yeah it was blown up a lot at 11.3 and then it got moved down to 10.7 it has ZERO right to be 10.3 it should go back up to 10.7 which it has 6 AIM-9Js which are amazing missiles

incredibly easy. like thats bare minimum to play the game

How ? You don’t.
The enemy will eventually have to peek and have to push in order to secure choke point and cap. That when you shoot. Not trying to hit someone who clearly behind the hill.

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APDS

doubt. At least i find the OF-40 slower.

Yes

OF-40 is… faster…

Then you don’t understand the game

Get real.

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I disagree. It’ll be just the same case as pzh 2000, an op vehicle very low in br. It’s just fine in 8.0. APDS shell is standard and post pen damage isn’t that bad either. You pen everything. Armor is useless at this br anyways. American teams suck at this br anyways so they’re not a problem. Russian tanks are easy to pen (T-10’s armor is also useless). Brits have their garbage apds and not know for armor either

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Its a big difference whether you’ve got armor to withstand all these autocannon vehicles, which are spammed at these BRs. Thats the most servere weakness of the Leopard 1. It can be brrrrped by just everything, even AA vehicles from 6.0 BR range. Mind all these small cqc maps and you know whats wrong.

So it totally matters to have sufficient armor to be mostly safe from autocannons.

i would then guess that you dont either. You dont seem to crash parties with Turm 3 much better than i do. And i have ten times more matches with it.

According to US documents both M48 and M60 are capable of making follow up shots within 5s of firing the first round.

The Leopard 1 wouldn’t be any different than that.

Why can the Vickers MBT have a 5s reload but no other L7 armed tank with a spacious interior?

The armor of the Leopard is a joke.
All it has is firepower and mobility and the firepower is clearly not good enough to compete at 8.0.