Now we’re back to square one: how much performance do you want it to have?
Like I explained before, F2 is unlikely to perform anywhere close to the “top performers” such as DM53 and M829A2, and is likely to improve your penetration only to the levels of M322.
Leclerc is bad in terms of protection and it needs proper buff in that department.
For Ammunition tho, apart from SHARD i dont think F2 or F2B will improve firepower like you mentioned before, although reload buff will be very nice.
I am aware that the UFP is underperforming, and if fixed would at least save it from the mid-tier APFSDS like 3BM-42.
For Ammunition tho, apart from SHARD i dont think F2 or F2B will improve firepower like you mentioned before, although reload buff will be very nice.
Reload buff is a legitimate buff (looking at Japanese MBTs), but if SHARD comes, lowkey; you’re gonna be fighting Leopard 2A7V (or 2A8) & M1A2 SEPv3 with DM83 & M829A4, you’re out of luck tbh.
Well if they give better turret rotation,breach armor(it can be pen by M18 which is hilarious Btw), and better reload with SHARD in the future i wouldnt mind fighting against those beasts.
As for as know hull armor designed to stop OFL F1 from point blank, but sadly got no evidence to back it up.
Welcome to the Leopard 2 gun area club, here our gun masks even produce double the spall because otherwise T-80BVMs would have too hard of a time!
İ know the issue about Leopards breach armor, got all Leopard models except hungarian one long time ago.
The thing is Leclerc’s breach armor is even worse, it can be penned by wwıı 90mm without any issue while Leopard breach will stand against it.
You might say that doesnt matter at top tier and you’ll probably be right but if M18 can pen your breach area and one shot you because of ammo detonation, just imagine what autocannons at top tier can do.
Just the same as all other tanks, enough to pen the BVM weakspots with guarantee of damage.
So being the worst at something while having the same BR isn’t an idication of a needed buff ?
What OFL F1 already does.
So being the worst at something while having the same BR isn’t an idication of a needed buff ?
Okay, lets compare the CR2 and the Leclerc then, using the Leoaprd 2A5 as a benchmark;
Now to just have the Leclerc faced off against a Chally 2, it does those things better;
It does those things worse;
So it clearly does a lot of things better than the Chally 2, it’s of course inferior to the Leopard 2A5 (duh, it lost to it twice in tank trials; Sweden & Greece). If we compare it to the Ariete, it does everything better, apart from having less raw penetration.
No, I do not believe it’s a vehicle that should have the privilige of being artificially buffed, what it should receive are fixes;
And a better round, but as I mentioned earlier, OFL F2 will be marginally better (not enough to make it perform better than the F1), and if you get SHARD, you can 100% expect your tank to start facing off against absolute monstrocities like the Leopard 2A7V/2A8 and SEPv3.
Try it, it doesn’t.
For the rest again, why compare it to the Challenger again and again ? Ok the Challenger is worse, and ?
If both tanks are bad let’s buff them both but saying that since the Challenger is bad, the Leclerc should stay bad is in no way an argument.
You’re saying yourself, the Leclerc is inferior in every way to the Leopard 2 but it has the same BR, that’s not a logical or normal situation. If at 11.7 there are clear winners and clear losers than we’re having a WoT like issue where some tier X tanks are in fact tier XI.
Other solution; we need a BR decompression.
I have the goddamn Leclerc, two of them in fact, it does and no matter how many mental gymnastics you resort to, it still does. If I can use the goddamn JM33 and perform well, there’s no reason for OFL F1 to fail when it’s the better projectile.
Other solution; we need a BR decompression.
Bravo, took you long enough. Prepare for the future where you won’t even have a “top tier tank”, unless Gaijin gives you the EMBT.
The Leclerc is a modern MBT there’s no reason it can’t compete against the Abrams / Leo 2 other than Gaijin’s refusal to model its armor correctly / their refusal to provide the Leclerc its historical round.
Agreed, there’s no reason but it happens a lot.
No need for condescendance, it wasn’t the subject of the original topic. Because if the decompression never happens, then it needs a better round, historical or not in order to be competitive.
Leclerc with a 140mm gun seems quite top tier to me.
Lol nice joke. If you’re refering to the leopardXLeclerc monster than it’ll just be useless. If you’re refering to the future european tank developed by France and Germany, then we’ll never see it in game since it’ll never be finished
Comparing the JM33 round to the OFL 120 F1 round is taking the placement of the OFL 120 F1 out of context.
It is perfectly fine on the Leclerc S1 which is the tank that it was developed for. It is inane to compare the two when discussing the Leclerc S2 / SXXI which never used the round as it had gone out of service by then.
Didn’t know Type 90 and TKX (P) had that APFSDS! Must’ve been added today!
OFL F1B which is still in service is just a slightly updated OFL F1…
Yes, if you’re comparing the Type 90 and the Leclerc S1 it’s a fine comparison. This thread is discussing the Leclercs in general. This includes the Leclerc S2 and Leclerc SXXI. If you want to make the argument that the Leclerc S1 should be left with OFL 120 F1 I’d be inclined to agree as it’s the original model. Bringing it up to dismiss the OFL 120 F1’s underwhelming performance compared to other top NATO rounds is disingenuous without specifically referring to the Leclerc S1’s usage of the round not the Leclerc S2’s / SXXI’s.
İ believe current SXXI and future XLR will be worthy top tier tanks if Gaijin fix Leclerc’s problems and give them SHARD.
They will not be as armored as Leopard2A7V or M1A2SEP-V3 but will still perform good.
This round is not used against modern threats. This has been specifically noted by the French military and I’ve linked prior source to it in this thread.
Irony ?
