The french should have clearly adopted the swedish proposal and add wedges to Leclerc to improve protection.
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Just as a friendly advice, its better if you attach the sources or screenshots of those. Nevertheless I managed to track down the original publication of the first source (and the most relevant in the set by far):
https://www.droitdesmilitaires.fr/609
This is an official, primary source. So we hit jackpot. Although its ambiguous enough to the point where some degree of interpretation is necesary. Even if I can agree that by this timeframe the reference APFSDS is most likely DM53, the source can´t clarify if the armor is meant to protect at point range, at 2km, 4km, whatever. But being reasonable it should suffice to argue for an armor value somewhere between 600-700mm. On the other hand its also explicit in that the hull did not get improved armor, likely retaining the same values as S1´s. Two extra secondary sources listed on Wikipedia also point in this same direction regarding the improved turret armor:
Chassillan, Marc (2005). Char Leclerc : De la guerre froide aux conflits de demain . Editions Techniques pour l’Automobile et l’Industrie. p. 191. ISBN 978-2726894385.
Chassillan, Marc (March–April 2018). “La Protection Balistiques des Chars Modernes”. No. 66. Trucks & Tanks Magazine. Caraktère. p. 76.
Further, lastly I came up with a method for guesstimating tank´s armor values based on a sourced base model and modifications of weight and armor thickness. Using the original Leclerc´s 420mm (listed in British primary sources), I was getting an estimation for SXXI of 648mm KE. Coincidence? I don´t think so.
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BTW GIAT published a patent for that. Its not great for the driver as the add on armor has an extra built in “hatch” he has to go through to get in or out of the tank.
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well first, wikepedia source are useless, gaijin dont want to hear about wikipedia and its fair, second weight and armor are two different thing since the weight depend about the materiels use and how much space the armor takes, so you cant guess protection of a tank just with weight change, im sorry bro but its so ridiculous.
Well its not like I wrote an exhaustive description of my method and I won´t do it now. In simple terms, I´m getting how many extra Kgs (attributable to extra armor weight) further models add over a base model together with an estimated weight-armor efficiency ratio improvement over time. There are also a lot of axiomatic and variables taken for granted. Its just a method for estimating armor for which we have little to no sources available. I rather have something like that than Gaijin making up values based on gut feeling. Though the results I´ve been getting so far have been very encouraging, I´m not publishing it yet.
On the other hand, I never said that Wikipedia was the source rather that the article listed some secondary sources and I´m reading them ATM to check if they say what the Wikipeda article states.
the thing is that, gaijin or you doing the estimation, it will in both case be estimation by people that have no 100% accurate information, you cant estimate armor without knowing what armor is there, you know the weight of composite armor by m3 ? you know the weight of the reactive armor and how much there are on the tank ? You know the weight is not only because of armor, more systeme, since there is many different armor, different weight, you can calculate your whole life, with the only information you have, the chance to be accurate are extremply low, and even if its accurate, you will not know. Im on your side I want to know all of that, but you cant make some calcul with the only information you have and hope having extremly confidential data on a tank…
Well its an estimation precisely because we don´t have 100 percent accurate information. Gaijin just uses whatever value they fancy while I think we could do better than that.
and you cant change it, gajin dont even work on vehicules they add, except if its a prenium, there is in this case a little work, but like, we saw that we are able to get more information with proof than gajin on like 90% of the vehicules in game. And the thing is that, even if we give them those information, they will just walk on that, they never listen the community, except one time when we did a massive call and stop playing. They dont care about us because people keep buying preniums, why should they listen to us if they are still winning so much money ? The best advice could give you is stop playing this game