Apparently they werent clear, because why did you need to say its the case then.
Practise what you preach buddy
Either way, i whole heartetly support the addition of the leclerc addition to the french tech tree where it supposed to be and will be a great addition to their line up
Looks like a sci-fi tank. It’s sick! +1 for France 🤙
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What is the RHA equivalent of polyester fiberglass?
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no please, anything but the OFL F1, the Leclerc s2 never saw one ever and so did the SXXI but if that thing comes back i’ll become crazy
the OFL 120 F1 is still the standard APFSDS round use in France
the OFL 120 F2 been a DU round is not used anymore but France still have a stock of them stored
the OFL 120 G1 is not used for a rather long time. i guess you mean this one
the Shard Mk.1 is currently getting into service for France which is a neat improvement of over the OFL 120 F1
the Shard Mk.2 is currently in development.
the idea was to skip the OFL 120 G1 as this round is no longer in the French stock for ages. start with the OFL 120 F1 and improve with the Shard.
also, the Ascalon is a different gun likely to have a higher velocity than the CN-120-26 F1. there is just no info about the actual velocity. it’s an L/58 gun which is nato compatible. the velocity should be a bit higher than the RH-120 L/55 used by Germany. i gave it the CN-120-26 F1 velocity as a place-holder. the performance can’t be lower and the F1 is still a decent gun. so once we find the real velocity, the gun will be buffed instant of nerfed.
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I’m not even sure that’s the case to be honest. The French Parliament voted a motion that prohibits the use of depleted-uranium ammunition so I would be surprised any are kept in storage.
Ammunition isn’t even the most problematic issue when it comes to the Leclerc anyway in my opinion. If armor and speed were fixed, OFL 120 F1 would be enough
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they have been stored at Brienne le Chateau since 2001. they are still there for all we know. they just do not use it. but if there is a situation where things go wrong, they will bring them back to services.
disposing of them is costly. keeping them cost very little. especially since the storage is already there and perfectly adapted for this purpose.
also, each round has an individual case to keep them. here are some pictures showing the storage and the OFL 105 F2 (which is the DU round for the 105mm)
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TIL. Thanks!
As I said above, France doesn’t use depleted-uranium in its ammunition anymore for environmental considerations, but also because the Minister of Defence declared in 2001 that “Les chars Leclerc sont approvisionnés exclusivement en obus flèche au tungstène OFL 120 F1 de 120 mm” (Réponse du ministère aux questions écrites de plusieurs sénateurs (Michel Doublet, Marie-Claude Beaudeau, Thierry Foucaud), Journal officiel, Sénat, Questions, 22 mars 2001, p. 1006.).
Together, these 2 claims made me think OFL 120 F2 rounds had been disposed.
So looks like OFL 120 F2 is the last depleted-uranium weapon France manufactured … which doesn’t mean France is not holding onto these rounds in case they’re needed.
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yeah, it only meant they aren’t using it anymore. it do not mean they do not have it anymore
i meant G1, i probably didn’t bother to read what i typed before entering
i agree that the F1 is a fine round but what bothers me is that the value are completely wrong in-game, like the Mass and penetration
IMHO, Leclerc XLR can be more revelent, because it’s in service and it’s not just an prototype.
But it will not add many stuff compare to Leclerc Azur. It’s a little bit like “Leclerc” and “Leclerc S2”.
A bout thir Leclerc Evo, I realy don’t know if this thing have armor on the turret.
But considering, at BR 11.7 many tanks have laser detector and APS, this Leclerc EVO can be good for for gameplay.
Do we know what the ATGMs are on top of the turret yet? Could the be Akeron MMP?
I believe they are loitering munitions, not ATGMs.
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Quick headsup since many people missed this detail: the EVO was equipped with an extra armor layer on the UFP.
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A lot of this information are false, because you based the information on the game, and since the leclerc in game is a synonyme of unrealistic… .I manage to find a lot of information about the leclerc, even if most of the document are still classified, so we will probably never see them. I found that the arc of the turret is able to resist to dm53, m829A2 and more, this is a public information even if its hard to find. The turret also have reactive armor on the front and on the sides. For the chassis, we know that its many block of composite armor, we dont exactly know where they are, if its that there are on the side and on the front. The leclerc also have spall liner since its a must for actual mbt. It also has more armor on the top of the turret. The reload is still classified, even if some video show that the leclerc has an emergency reload (close to 4s). The normal reload is approximately 5s. The mobility is also innacurate, the chassis and the turret can rotate in the opposite direction at the same time at their maximum speed, as a Leclerc crew member said in a video, the two parts are independent of each other. I have sources for everything I said except about the most obvious thing, the spall liners. To speak about the leclerc evo, it has aps, missile akeron mp, a drone operator, 140mm or 120mm ascalon gun, using shard mk.2 apfsds-t, you can be sure you are not ready to see this terminator in the game soon, probably after the f-22 raptor.
If you have sources regarding the armor resisting this or that APFSDS, please be kind enough to share it.
I will send it to you today, not sure to have all of them since I dont have a book anymore, but I can send you the name of the book, wrote by journalist during the developement of the leclerc S1, most of the information leaked come from the developement. For the apfsds-t, gaijin said that the ofl 120 F2 was just the ofl 120 F1 with “uranium appauvri”, so for gaijin it will only be like 2Omm of penetration more, the only shell we can wait for is the ofle 120 F2 (no information avaible), or the shard mk1 or mk2, but same, no information.
Armor of Leclerc tanks
Leclerc SXXI:
“Written question No. 24140 from Mr. Warsmann Jean-Luc (Union for a Popular Movement - Ardennes) published in the Official Journal on 01/09/2003 page 6776.”
Mr. Jean-Luc Warsmann draws the attention of the Minister of Defense to the nature of the armor of the future Leclerc S XXI tank mentioned in her response to question no. 21313 published in the Official Journal on August 4, 2003, page 6198. He would like to know if the tank that will soon be delivered to the French army will be equipped with armor capable of resisting depleted uranium munitions similar to those used by the American army during the war in Iraq.
Response published in the Official Journal on 27/10/2003 page 8199.
The Leclerc SXXI tanks will be equipped with a new turret armor that will provide them with better protection of the frontal arc against missiles and next-generation armor-piercing munitions.
The latest generation shells in 2003 included shells such as the 3BM46 from 1991, the DM53 from 2001, or the KEW-A2: M829A2, which dates back to before the 2000s. I couldn’t find a precise date, but a document discussing these APFSDS was published in 2000 by General Dynamics, the manufacturer of these shells, suggesting that they were produced before the 2000s.
If the DM53 has a penetration of 652mm at 10m at an angle of 0° as gaijin claim in War Thunder, we can easily deduce that at least the armor of the turret of the SXXI is superior to 652mm based on this information.
"On all the Leclerc "
According to the book “The Leclerc System” written by Stéphane Ferrard in 1992, the Leclerc.
The turret and chassis of the Leclerc tank consist of a framework made of mechanically welded steel plates onto which a set of removable boxes containing composite armor is mounted. The turret is protected by a set of twelve added boxes (six on each side), covered with a non-slip fiberglass coating. The turret is also surrounded by a set of composite boxes that serve a threefold purpose: to transport the onboard equipment, reduce the radar signature, and create spaced armor in front of the main composite armor blocks.
The turret also have reactive armor, in a video name « Le CHAR LECLERC : l’arme absolue de l’@Armeedeterre avec visite du poste de chef de char ! », made by « xavier tytelman », a tank commander of a leclerc explained that the turret is equiped with reactive armor inside, he explained that it protected the crew from penetration of any rpg or missile (yes gaijin even the vikhr).
Self-sealing structural tanks are located at the front right of the chassis, in front of the turret containing 18 rounds of 120 mm and above it, under the plate serving as a support for the composite armor of the glacis. The frontal protection of the chassis sides is provided by three lateral pre-armors, each consisting of a composite panel covered with a steel shell.
For the mobility, the reverse speed is 38km/h in game, irl its more than 50km/h like said a pilote of a leclerc in a video name « Reportage exclusif : à bord du nouveau char Leclerc de l’armée de Terre ! » made by « automotomagazine », to be more precise, he explained that the leclerc has two different reverse gear, a kinda slow one, and a fast one for needed situation, like a combat.
The turret is also independant from the chassis, it can move in a different direction at the same time at its max speed, like it was many times show during demonstration, and even told by a crew member of the leclerc in a video, but I saldy cant find it again, I will continue to look for.
Again, in the book name « The Leclerc Systeme », it is explain that t he engine is super quiet (for a tank) , information that you can also find easily and see by yourself in many video. We know that in game, the sound of the tank are a serious probleme, there was no work made on it, and no reasearch, cant hear a tank when its further than 50m, is kinda pathetic. One of the particularities of the Hyperbar process specific to the V8X1500 engine is that it does not smoke when accelerating, it only smoke when the tank is starting, which helps reduce the infrared signature of the tank. The exhaust temperature of the TM-307 B turbine never exceeds 370°C, whatever the speed of the tank’s Diesel engine. It was a goal during the developement of the Leclerc, reducing its visibility, trying to make this tank kinda stealth compare to other actual mbt at this time.
Its for now all the informationI have, its a lot, but it would not be if gaijin worked on the leclerc before adding 4 copy paste.
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