Lmao this tank was just revealed. There’s still a lot of unknowns
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like the Ariete AMV?
there are a lot of tanks that a lot in unknown. that does not stop them from being in the game. almost every single modern MBT has fictional armor in-game. almost all the info except the speed and the gun is guesswork.
and this suggestion was written a bit before the tank was revealed officially. i was waiting for the pictures.
it was posted in the hours following the revelation.
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Well on the hull side there is pretty much no unknown as the additionnal armore on UFP is basically derivated from 2A7 add armor and engine is known as it’s used on UAE Leclercs. The real shadow zone pretty much lies on the following subjects : Autoloader rack position; Composite armor layout of the turret (Even though it is not hard to figure where there would be composite if there was some), Presence or not of spall liners in the tank or not.
Otherwise most hull parameters are somewhat known and side additionnal armor is basec on Leclerc XLR composite side armor blocks. Overall a good what if tank for future top tier of France i Gaijin wants to keep adding modern tanks.
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Frankly one of the prototypes i’d want to see in game the most as it would finally offer a true top tier MBT to France. The additionnal armore and Trophy system could really help compensating for the low pen of OFL 120 F1 and current Leclercs lack of armor.
Honestly that’s almost depressing to think a 2024 demonstrator is needed to compensate for Gaijin refusal of buffing Leclercs to realistic levels of performance…
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I’m just curious how you were able to estimate the penetration of the gun and the armor effectiveness
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Photo analysis and logic.
the penetration here is the minimal value. the gun has the minimal velocity of the CN-120-26 F1 from the Leclerc, otherwise, it would not be worth changing the gun.
The CN-120-26-F1 is a caliber L/52 while the Ascalon is a L/58. this should give a significant improvement in velocity. easily get around 1850 m/sec but this is unknown. so as the placeholder, I give the CN-120-26 F1’s performance. like this we would not be disappointed when we correct the gun’s performance. it would be improved and not nerfed.
And the logistical nightmare that is the Indian Army continues. T-90 Bhishma with a 125mm smoothbore, Arjun with a 120mm rifle, and now Lerclerc with a 120mm smoothbore. Along with “standard” infantry rifles in 7.62x51, 5.56x45 and 7.62x39.
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+1
they want to switch to full nato standard. they already have bough the Rafale From France. it’s one of their greatest sell.
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Yes, it should be added at BR like 13.0, together with KF51 for GER, Abrams X for US and t14 for ru
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Amazing suggestion !
I believe you got the reload wrong though : the Leclerc has had a 5 seconds reloads for a few months now.
As for the rounds used by the ARX30, albeit we don’t know much about it yet, you could add the proxy HE rounds that are being designed to destroy drones.
As for the other ammo type, you should have added the regular Tiger helicopters’ 30mm SAPHEI belt (there is no such thing as API, SAP or HEI rounds for this weapon system, only SAPHEI, training rounds, and in the future, the proxy-HE round for anti-drone warfare).
That sure is one pretty big baby, would make for a nice addition to the french tree. I’d like to point a few things out though :
1# Germany has NO CLAIM WHASTOEVER on this tank. KNDS designed another vehicle (namely the Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0) as an equivalent for german forces. It was indeed sitting right next to the Leclerc Evolution at Eurosatory.
2# Regarding the ammo, the turret is still using a 22-round autoloader. HOWEVER, the ammo storage at the front was permanently removed to free up space for the 4th crew member
3# though the turret looks is indeed less bulky than the one from the previous Leclerc-variants, they confirmed that it was nonetheless better protected : armor-scheme has been reworked through and through, hence the funny look.
Didn’t check the values, but rest of provided information looks valid.
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All its missing is a spoiler on the back.
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I am aware of it. it’s some of the German main who made a huge drama over it a couple of days ago. they are so affray the Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 would end up in the French tech-tree, they force my hand to get the mention added in the suggestion in the Leclerc Evolution.
KNDS designed both Leclerc Evolution and Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0. Nexter does not exist as his entity anymore.
for the rest, the absence of proper sources makes me without good information. it was said to be well protected, but this does not give us any clue to which extent. the Leclerc is famous for being one of the most protected MBT and suffered no loss over the 30 years of service. it did see combat and was hits yet it was never disabled of destroyed. The service and test show better protection than the Abram and Leopard 2. it was one of the reasons UAE ordered this tank. but in the game, the armor is weak. the main reason it fails many of its competition is the Expensive cost and expensive maintenance which makes it the most expensive standard MBT in service. (the M1 and Leopard 2 are way cheaper)
since the ingame protection of the Leclerc is know to be wrong, it’s hard to tell what would be the proper protection for this tank even if they say “better than the Leclerc”
Or you know, you could have just removed the frenchs claim over it.
We have proven to you that the french side in fact had no involvement in the leopard and that nexter and kmw still interact seperately.
But you are clinging to this concept.
The leclerc evolution turret from the embt is in fact co designed by germany as well its not a modified leclerc turret but designed from ground up. But every german is perfectly fine with making it france exclusive and to share the embt series.
Its realy only you making a problem out of the whole thing
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see what I am talking about? They never quit and kept coming back about things that were clear for everyone from this start out by fear of losing ground
Apparently they werent clear, because why did you need to say its the case then.
Practise what you preach buddy
Either way, i whole heartetly support the addition of the leclerc addition to the french tech tree where it supposed to be and will be a great addition to their line up
Looks like a sci-fi tank. It’s sick! +1 for France 🤙
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What is the RHA equivalent of polyester fiberglass?