@Rianツ @Lord_Shen_ツ You have the option not to play :) 10 thousand positive votes is a very strong vote, the community wants
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CV90 MK III from BAE Systems Hagglunds lands in Brazil for operational demonstration
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I don’t believe that the LATAM server is justifiable, not even at this moment, it was just a mark to measure that the most realistic idea here is for a LATAM server to exist rather than its own LATAM line
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It would be more interesting for gaijin to put the servers in Panama or some country in Central America. They already gave a class about the impossibility of creating a Latin American server and we didn’t even touch on the subject anymore
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YES! That’s exactly what I’m talking about! You’re totally right with that.
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Sigh… I was expecting the very vocal minority to appear at one point… Especially Brazilians that suffer from defeatism or mongrel complex. Or really just trolls.
Your comment is very stereotypical and generalistic, and it also serves no purpose for the discussion of the implementation of Brazilian (let alone Latin American) vehicles in War Thunder. So I’m sorry, but this IS mongrel complex and it IS a disservice to Brazil.
What kind of comment is this? Putting the Osório against an M1A2 Abrams or T-90M would be madness. That’s why the Battle Rating system exists, to put tanks against others of similar performance. In this case, with an Osório at a suggested BR of 9.7, it’d face mostly tanks designed around the same time as it. Tanks it was made to face, like the T-64B and T-72B, the Leopard 1A5 and Leopard 2A4… Sure it’d struggle on an uptier, but that applies to any vehicle.
You’re both wrong. Read the original post carefully and you’ll find that most vehicles you think are copy-paste are actually modified.
Nationalist sentimentality? On a tree with multiple countries? With Brazilian vehicles not making up even 1/3 of it? Nonsense.
You claim there are literally no new vehicles and then you move on to contradict yourself with your own words lmao. Clearly a troll.
“They are too similar to vehicles already in the game” Ok, and? If that was the case, and if it really was an important point to be made, then A LOT of vehicles wouldn’t be in the game. The Israeli, Swedish and South African modifications of the Centurions for instance… or the German, Italian and Israeli modifications of the Pattons… and the list of “too similar vehicles” goes on. Very dumb logic.
Funny double standards you guys have. You completely disregarded the massive amount of copy-pastes in the tiers 1 to 4 of the Chinese tree, and cherry-pick just 8 or so copy-pastes in the whole LATAM tree (more than 100 vehicles)? And most of them are premium/event, so they’re not really necessary for tree and could be left out completely.
Where’s a moderator when you need one…
I could go on and on against your dumbfounded arguments, but that’d make this message too long (much more than what it already is). So just my two cents for you trolls.
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I would love seeing people grinding over this too, lol.
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Never knew a lack of vehicles meant being able to add enough vehicles to form good lineups at most BRs while leaving out a large chunk of vehicles from these countries too /s
To mention a tree is made up largely of prototypes as a negative trait is disingenuous and ignores the fact that such vehicles have been part of the game since basically the beginning. Hell, they are continually becoming a more and more significant part of War Thunder. Look at Sweden if you doubt that…
And what exactly are these “meme vehicles”?The showcase here is substantially more serious than the Toyota tree for instance….
Sure, the top tier for ground would be poor, that is no reason to ignore the rest of the tech tree…
I am going to bring up no only Italy, contrary to your wishes that exist purely to leave no faults in your argument, I am also going to bring up France, Sweden and Israel, oh especially Israel.
Israel had 11 vehicles in the game (if I counted correctly) before their tree got added and Gaijin had literally denied that they would add it as an independent country. Look at us now.
The case is clear: unless a sub-tree is added of a nation their future can be anything. Argentina is in fact not a sub-tree, so the addition of some of their vehicles to Germany really doesn’t mean anything…
You are saying this about a tree where a lot of vehicles were still left out in order to prevent bloat/unnecessary copy paste. And this isn’t just limited to copy paste either, unique vehicles like BTR-115 are also left out.
Gaijin would, realistically, also add the tree in a smaller state than what is presented, thus creating their room for expansion that way in the first place. Hell, they would likely be adding it with significantly more copy paste that what is presented here, thus leaving the room for expansion with unique vehicles that way.
I find it very strange how you can look at a tree that is larger than most in the game (even after years of implementation) and still call it too small….
You are throwing around words without meaning and stating then as obvious. The words relevant and sense have different meanings for different people, thus you have to specify what you mean with these opinionated non-statements.
And no, 12.0, 12.3 and 12.7. are not BRs of relevance to this tree because these BRs aren’t yet seen in ground: 11.7 is still the higher BR there.
That is just blatantly false when you look at the tech tree…
I guess the M8s evolution into the EE-9 is meaningless to you? Or how the Stuart grew into the X1A2…? All minor modifications I guess… ridiculous….
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That’s because the previous proposals were bad. Seriously. A Brazilian tree cannot stand on its own and our proposal makes a point about that. Brazil + Portugal is basically the same (skeleton tree heavily reliant on copy-pastes). Never heard of a MERCOSUL one, but I remember this “Latin Zombies” tree that was poorly laid out and missed out on a lot of unique vehicles.
This is not true. Gaijin exploits the hype on top tier stuff to make people buy top tier premiums and grind their way to the top. There are more people playing Tier 7 than Tier 8, I wonder why? (hint: premium tanks). The bulk of the playerbase is around the mid tiers, like Tier 3 and 4. Just queue for a battle a few times and you’ll see.
This comment is funny. “Mongrel complex” isn’t really an insult. If you felt offended by it, it really tells something… By the way, most of that wasn’t even directed at you specifically, but hey, if the hat fits…
Strong and relevant points? We’re debunking all of your hollow arguments lmao. You just spout lies and falacies, or you’re really just clueless.
As for the rest… Mahiwew covered it out pretty well.
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this is pathetic.
And thank goodness I didn’t read the previous comments.
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They really have no idea what they are talking about. Nevermind the straw man fallacy.
Thankfully a moderator stepped in and did a cleanup.
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Back to the matter at hand… Hopefully not too many derailments or trolling any time soon (and if that happens, hopefully a moderator takes action quickly).
One vehicle that was brought up in our discord server is this:
It’s an M8A1 Scott in Mexican service. Nothing really special about it, until you notice the .50 cal mount was completely replaced by a rocket launcher. Sentinel Mexico claims it to be a Blindicide RL-83, but that doesn’t look anything like it. From what I can tell it’s an IMI B-300 (facing away from the turret), which Mexico does also use:
According to wikipedia, its HEAT warhead penetrates up to 600mm, which would be pretty OP for any of the lower tiers. But what if this was made into a gimmick, by only allowing it to fire just once? A single chance to destroy basically any target.
Personally I think it’s too “meme” to be reliable, so I wouldn’t really consider it for the tree. But if the situation calls for more Mexican representation… Also some people were insisting on it (especially you @Mahiwew lmao), so I guess it’s worth acknowledging it…
If it wasn’t for that rocket launcher I wouldn’t ever mention it, as it’s simply a copy-paste and we already got the DN-V Búfalo, a more unique equivalent.
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BHmaster is just a regular user, stop throwing insults at each other and the forum mods won’t delete your post
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Euh I don’t recall being so active in any Mexican discussion, but it’s a very nice addition anyways!
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I really love the concept of the tree, I also found that some Paraguayan Stuart’s can mount recoilless rifles or fifty cal machine gun, maybe those can be folded with the X1P or be low br event/premiums
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Argentina have special AMX-13, the Wiki say they were locally-built in Argentina, and equip with Argentina locally-built CN-105 105mm cannon, and tech may be came from Israel 105mm gun, cause France never gave the lincence or permit Argentina to produce the type of CN-105 cannon, this information from the Wiki, the part of CN-105 varient.
And I say special AMX-13, cause the Argentine AMX-13 equip with CN-105 L/44, not CN-105-57, it is only AMX-13 equip with L/44 105mm in the world. other countries were purchased tank from France and equip with French CN-105-57, but Argentina, L/44, and Argentina have L/57 in AMX-13 also, it’s gun came from Argentine Sherman.
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HugeBunny, hello there!
Can you link the Wiki article? I ask you this to read the article because you have left me somewhat confused.
As you can see in this ad, one of the 105mm versions produced in Argentina was called “Cal.105mm L44/57”, famous for being used in the “Repotenciado”. And its label combines the names you are using to differentiate guns.
Regarding the AMX-13/105, Argentina was the only country, besides France, that produced the AMX-13 and its guns. The literature says that the license for the 105 mm was obtained in the late 1960s, when the first tens of complete tanks and other components for the manufacture of the remaining batch were acquired.
Regarding the Israeli guns, it would be confirmed that the first series of the TAM is the one that mounts the 105mm of that origin (although curiously it is not something that the researchers investigate).
If your source of information is true, it would change the understanding of the light tank and it would be very enriching to know that in the late 1960s a license was obtained for additional or different origin 105 mm guns.
Regards
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That’s pretty cool. It’d be another vehicle with a gimmick similar to the M8A1 Scott that I was talking about earlier, except this one would be much easier to balance. Its recoilless rifle seems to be the 75mm M20, which penetrates up to 100mm of armor.
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75mm M20 recoilless rifle just two ammo in Paraguay, 75mm M48 HE and 75mm M66 L/31 HEAT, ,charge weight 0.36 kg.max penetration was 89mm RHA.
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I think it would be ideal, Argentina is already in Germany, it would have to be left there, however a Chile-Brazil technological tree would be very interesting
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