KW-1B 755(r)

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I would like to suggest the KW-1B 755(r) which is the German Captured KV-1E (Or also B From the Finnish perspectiv) as a new Premium Tank

Overall that should also stop with the every now and then upcoming flame war that the KV-1B should be in the Swedish Tree and not the German one. (Where it also isn’t exactly wrong.)

So I am Suggesting the addition of the German KW-1B 755(r).

History:
The KV 1 tank (along with its Headache brother KV 2) were intended as heavy Breakthrough and Fortification attack tank. For that reason equipped with a Short-Medium 7,62 cm and 15,2 cm Gun/Howitzer. It started its live in a competition with 2 other tanks, the SMK and the T-100, while itself unreliable, was still better than the other 2 oversized landships.

It started its life with around 75mm armor and (like pretty much all vehicles in early development) heavily unreliable, and armed with a L-11 gun, which for its time was a relatively good gun. While already unreliable, more Armor was demanded and the same dilemma like with the French H.35 Tank came up.
Improve armor or improve reliability. It was chosen in favour of the add on armor increasing the base armor of 75mm by the addition of 25mm Spaced armor, hindering mobility and reliability for more protection against the most common Finnish guns, which was the main idea and use at the beginning of the Russo-Finnish war. And so the KV-1E was born with the E meaning screened.
After that the base armor of the turret was increased, lighter cast turrets used and later on the Reworked Kv-1S came to be with even less armor than the first Kv 1, together with a new transmission to improve the reliability and give it back some mobility. But that doesn’t matter for this suggestion is not about the KW-1C 756 (r).

Germanys number and letter system is the following (By D.50/12 Kraftfahrzeuge des Heereswaffenamt):
KW-IA 753(r) → Early KV-1 Tanks without any extra armor.
KW-II 754(r) → KV-2 Tanks (Mostly 1940)
KW-IB 755(r) → KV-1 Tanks with add on armor (E and such)
KW-IC 756(r) → KV-1 with increased base armor as well as the later new cast models


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Armament:
7,62 cm KwK L/30,5 (7,62 cm F-32)
-5° to + 25° Elevation 360° Traverse
111 rounds of Captured Russian ammo (Like in game already found)
As well as German Produced ammo:


Case Drawing: 76,2x385mmR

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Ap:


Pzgr.39 Rot (Apcbc) 7,6 kg 20g H.10 555m/s (or 575m/s?) 97mm (or 102mm)/10m

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Pzgr.39 (Apcbc) 7,1 kg 80g Fp.02 and Np.10 (102,4 g TnTa) 575m/s 94mm/10m

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Pzgr.40 (Apcr) 4,15 kg 28x111mm 0,90kg Core 820m/s 148mm/10m

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Gr.38 Hl/C (Heat) 5,05 kg 515 g H.10 (875,5g TnTa) 450m/s 115mm/10m

Just a adapted 75mm Gr.38
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He:


Sprgr.39 (He) 6,25 kg 585g Fp.02 and Np.10 (748,8g TnTa) 550 m/s

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The Tank:


KW-1B 755(r)


Speed: 35 km/h
Engine: 600 Ps
Weight: 49 Ton
Crew: 5

Armour Front Sides Rear Roof
Hull 75 + 25 mm (30-31°) Front plate
40 mm (72°) Front glacis
75 mm + 25 mm (26-51°) Lower glacis 75 + 25 mm 60 mm (13-89°) Top
70 mm (14-57°) Bottom 30 mm
Turret 75 + 30 mm (14°) Turret front
90 mm (1-62°) Gun mantlet shield
75 mm (4-36°) Gun mantlet 75 + 30 mm (14-15°) 75 mm (15-16°) 40 mm

Source:

Panzertruppen: The Complete Guide to the Creation and Combat Employment of Germany's Tank Force, 1933-1942: JENTZ THOMAS L. (which is based on Waffenprüfamt results)

(I think here the Pzgr.39 Rot and Pzgr.39 were switched up, or it was used with a higher charge. Idk.
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D.50/12 Kraftfahrzeuge des Heerswaffenamt
H.Dv. 119/3121
H.Dv. 119/148
Geschossringbuch I
Warthunder Wiki KV 1E
KV-1 & 2 Heavy Tanks 1939-45 (Steven J Zaloga)
KV Tanks on the Battlefield (Neil Stokes)
KV Technical History & Variants (Neil Stokes)

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maybe just renaming the current KV-1B in the german tech tree would do
with a reskin of course

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And of course the ammo.
But quite unlikely, as that would most likely annoy the people that have it currently. Its a old vehicle after all.

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annoying them? by giving it ammunition with more penetration? i do not think they will complain. far from it, they will say it’s really needed.

at the same time, it allows the KV 1B to be added to the Swedish finally through Finland sub-tree

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As in, loosing a tank from their collection.

Give the Finnish KV-1B to Finland and this to Germany. The addition of the German ammo makes this even more interesting. +1

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I just don’t see any exclusivity in everybody having the same vehicles and it just ruins any individual Identity a tech tree might have.I think everybody running the same tank is going backwards in video gaming not forwards.Also the Swedes have a very extensive 3.7-4BR as it is and it is much copy paste already.

they do not lose it, they get it renamed an have it improved

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Unless you buy premium vehicles that BR is pretty bad.

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No. That not only ruins it for existing owners of KV-1B, but doesn’t allow people to get a new captured KV-1.

that would be the same tanks, renamed, reskinned with many different German camo and markings, and given different ammo. while the KV-1B would go to Sweden. I do not see how it would ruin the existing owner of the KV-1B, the tank would not change. the owner of the current KV-1B would still have it. the KV-1E will also still exist, and there would be another KV-1B added to Sweden and just like the other, it would be expected to be premium. I do not see how it would ruin the current owner of KV-1B

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Tanks should never be moved.
No tank has ever moved, and no tank should ever move.
Sweden can still get one.

You have many suggestions yourself, so I’m surprised you have posts that lack empathy for people wanting a captured KV-1B in Germany.
The current owner wouldn’t have a Finnish KV-1B anymore, something they grinded hours for, cause it’d be renamed.
And people that want this one wouldn’t be able to get it because it wasn’t added.

not moved. just renamed

this vehicle is the same as the KV-1B just with different (better) ammo

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Sweden can get a shit 5.0 KV-1A which will be a paid premium with a gun with 99mm ap or 96mm aphe so pay to be free sl. The KV-1B also has a better lineup than 5.0

the KV-1B is at 4.3/4.0 (AB/RB) in the game

I think that person meant in comparisson to the KW-1C 766 (r) 7,5 cm KwK 40 which is at 5.0

And the KV-1 3.7 with the Zis 5 gun which the KV-1A will have is 4.7

So better armor and that gun will make it the same BR as the german KV-1C because the BR’s are compressed

The KV-1A 1942 has the cast armor turret, so same armor as the KV-1B but it also has the KV-1 Zis-5 gun. The KV-1 Zis-5 has the 3.7 KV-1 armor but the better gun brings it to 4.7 with 99mm pen ap and 96mm pen aphe. So why would the tank with better armor and the same gun be lower than the KV-1 Zis-5

No? The ZiS-5 is only found on the KW-1C 756(r) of the earlier kind without the Cast turret at the earlierst.
The Kw-1A is the normal L-11.

https://wiki.warthunder.com/KV-1_(ZiS-5)