I agree towards the effect of suggestions passed to the developers doesn’t mean the vehicle is coming soon. Heck it’s not even required to pass something to the devs to see it in-game. The F-16AJ was denied, if I remember correctly, when it was suggested, yet here we are.
I only bring it up because they were using passed suggestions as evidence for the F-15J supposedly being worked on earlier than the X/F-2 and if passed suggestions had merit, then it would actually be hurting their case.
I wasn’t using passed to devs as evidence, I was using it to substantiate other points.
F-15J’s BR is here, 12.3.
F-16 Block 60 & F-2’s BRs aren’t here yet.
F-15J[C] can be added to 3 tech trees & would’ve been given priority on that alone.
As I said previously, I want F-2 more than most. F-15J being added means we’re one step closer to F-2.
And it’s well known that the final XF-2A prototypes had the AESA radar.
@Smin1080p is there a reason why russian ERA is in groups while chinese ones are individual? dunno where else to ask this
It’s do with damage model. Can’t remember the exact reasoning for it. Some tanks really suffer because of it and lose there whole ERA array when one gets hit.
Actually, no torpedo currently in the CDK matches the silver-black-silver w/ stabilizing ring of this torpedo - this is something else !
Using them as evidence to substantiate other points? It’s one in the same…
I don’t think you have a bearing on this as we don’t even have F-15s in the game yet and have no idea how they will perform. Did you accurately predict how the Mig-29 and F-16A were going to perform before their introduction, even though their flight models were changed multiple times? This is where I take issue in making not assumptions but guarantees without evidence.
That reasoning doesn’t hold. I already mentioned to you that the EJ is at 11.0 and EJ Kai at 11.7. Just because there’s no 11.3 doesn’t mean we can’t move to 11.7.
Yes, and this is good reasoning, however, F-2 is based off block 40 F-16C with some structural differences. In other words, in terms of game development, it’s most of the way modeled already and also has several variants of its own that could be reused. Makes more sense to get it done now before moving to a completely new airframe (though they could also be working on it simultaneously).
As @TyphoonCro mentioned, unless you have insider info, I don’t see any evidence that suggests we are closer to the F-15J because to my knowledge Gaijin has not stated any plans of when to expect the F-15. In addition, saying it will be here by December is pure speculation.
Well that’s what they eventually used, but we also know that it could use the F-16Cs radar and it was considered (presumably in the event that the J/APG-1 was not ready) (looking at the old forums, apparently the earlier testing DID use APG-68, which if true, means XF-2A can show up without AESA radar and still be accurate). APG-68 also shows up in the documentation.
Also let’s not ignore the fact that it was a prototype AESA radar, so its capabilities would be weaker than the production variant. In other words, more ways Gaijin can play around with AESA implementation however they want, realistic or not, giving them full plausible deniability.
I can understand being hesitant on the production F-2 (I am as well), but nothing is holding Gaijin back tech wise to introduce the XF-2A into the game.
My friend said they looked liked guided torpedoes
Jesus Christ gaijin remove that fucking fog man It’s so annoying
So did I, the weird thing abt it is that it doesn’t look like any of the ones we already have ingame.
From their answers when the F-16AJ was introduced, it seems like they want to move straight into production-spec F-2 's - when the XF was proposed as an alternative to the AJ, their main points against it was that little was known abt it1, and that it couldn’t provide a guided CAS option for mixed battles2.
We’re moving closer to platforms having parity w/ the F-2 as is; the technical hindrances which seem to necessitate an XF-2 may not be planned to exist by as soon as the end of this year. Esp. if they still consider it to be a sidegrade to the AJ - apart from it 's lack of guided CAS capability - rather than being an intermediary between that and the full F-2* as the direction of discussion of the XF has taken now.
*( and F-15J, but we still don’t have any evidence towards F-15 's coming to any nation )
Yea the main point of contention to why we got the AJ instead of XF-2 was that the XF-2 would still not solve the issue of no standoff CAS for Japan and the AJ seemed to be a good fit to fill that gap.
As for as I’m aware, the XF-2 and F-2 would in terms of modelling is the same (besides the paint job of course)? The biggest elephant in the room is AESA and what that means for War Thunder top tier, both in implementation and meta shift. It’s a lot easier to sell an XF-2 with F-16C radar using existing armaments, than what an actual F-2 with AESA might be.
I’m of the opinion that Gaijin knows there’s a big demand for F-2, has formally addressed it, and now we’re at tech parity at least as far as the prototype is concerned. As such, the path of least resistance is pointing towards some form of an F-2 (along with contemporaries from other nations).
I believe it’s an ET52, which I don’t believe is in the files yet.
Am gonna leave this here! this is the Operation Rattlesnake!!! Gulf War 1991 guys! and we are now in this period of time in the game.
This is and F-16C Barak I Block 40 Carrying Python 4s and Aim-9Ls
I had never seen a source that APG-68 was introduced, but seeing that Mitsubishi is importing it, it seems certain that it was used in some form.
However, as for Prototype 1, there exists a source where the chief of the production team announced that it was tested without a radar, so I think it is at least one of the XF-2A (Prototype 2) or XF-2B (Prototype 3-4).
The fourth of these aircraft was responsible for realistic combat and bombing tests, so it would probably have been equipped with an AESA. That would narrow it down to either the 2A No. 2 or the 2B No. 3.
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Also, one additional tidbit of information, I found a photo of the XF-2A prototype #2 being equipped with weapons during testing at TRDI, with an ASM and an AAM-3.
All four aircraft, called XF-2s, were updated with equipment as F-2s after the end of testing. But this photo was taken during testing at TRDI…so it is proof that the XF-2A (prototype 2) is equipped with the weapon. (Sorry if this information has already been published!)
This is “theoretical” from here on. If the XF-2A Prototype II was equipped with the APG-68, then it might be possible to implement a non-AESA XF-2A.
The XF-2 is not equipped with machine guns, except for the fourth aircraft, so the risk on balance is the performance of the missiles it carries. The missiles are ASM and AAM-3 as seen in the picture, so this will not be a problem if the AAM-3 is replaced by AIM-9L or if the AAM-3 is unlocked around the time this aircraft is implemented.
It seems to me that inflation would not be advanced if the APG-68 + missiles only + F-2 body.
As I mentioned in the post while the radar is mentioned it was mainly as a placeholder radar if J/APG-1 wasn’t finished so it’s unknown if or not it did use APG-68. There is good evidence suggesting that in the end J/APG-1 was on the XF-2As from the very beginning tho.
From the old forums, Wiggles mentioned APG-68 was used and then switched to J/APG-1 when it was converted to production. A report was mentioned but I do not know if it was provided somewhere else. Outside of that, it’s in the realm of plausibility, which gives Gaijin wiggle room.
Personally, I speculate since it was technically a technology exchange program, they probably got it to see what it could do and from there I wouldn’t see why they wouldn’t mount it in one of the prototypes (what better way to get a baseline?) to test it versus their own developments to compare.
@Fireraid233 I’ll DM you about it.
I think that it was possible on one means it was possible on all. I’d imagine in reality they tested things separately instead of all on the same airframe to save time, but that doesn’t say they couldn’t. For game purposes, I don’t think the distinction matters fortunately. If it theoretically could, it’s fair game for Gaijin.
Aside from that, @jony12a thank you for the information. I don’t think I’ve seen this information about the XF-2 and is new to me.
Though the question “does it matter?” come to mind. Japan, like a few other nations, is in a tough spot for what to add next. Its either huge game breaking jump or nothing at all. XF-2 with a reasonable, potential, but unprovable radar might be a reasonable compromise to give Japan something. I can see it being something that is only going to need to be done more going forward. As information becomes more sparse and options more limited. Maybe the best solution, is to bend reality for the sake of gameplay
I’m in agreement to the sentiment in general yea because other nations have also bended the rules to have things implemented. However, the less you have to bend due to information, the better.
Aside from the F-2 stuff, in general as we catchup to current tech, things are going to go more and more into speculative territory yea.
Absolutely, where available information allows. Lets stick to reality. But we’ve already seen things like the CR2 suffer greatly due to lack of information, so it needs to be done right and fair. But yeah. WIth so much heavily classified. We are probably looking at the last era of jets that can be added where information is semi-available. But after that… Its going to have to be all guess-timates.
