KH-38 please be gone

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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Standoff weapons that could be added to nations (modern):

USA:
F15E: GBU-53/B SDB II, AGM-179 JAGM-F (tests only)
F-18 Super: AGM-154C, GBU-53/B SDB II, AGM-179 JAGM-F (tests only)

Germany:
EF2000: Brimstone IR/MMWR, GBU-53/B SDB II?? (Apparently there has been FMS to Norway, Germany, Italy, and Finland)

Russia:
X-59
Kinzhal
X-61
X-35U
(This is a joke russia does not need this right now)

UK:
Also gets Brimstone IR/MMWR, Storm Shadow for native planes and possibly for Indian rafale

Japan:
F-1: ASM-2
F-2: ASM-2, ASM-3

China:
Honestly dont know much here

Italy:
EF2000: Brimstone IR/MMWR, GBU-53/B SDB II?? (Apparently there has been FMS to Norway, Germany, Italy, and Finland)
A-200C: Storm Shadow

France:
Already has decent standoff weaponry, but Storm Shadow could work here

Sweden:
Dont know, only thing I found were long range GPS weaponry, not really viable. Maybe RBS 15, but wouldnt really work.

Israel:
Has plenty of stuff, Spice would be a good contender

I have not included things which are extreme long range cruise missiles with only INS or GPS guidance, as they wouldnt really even be meta anyway. IE KEPD 350. Sorry for the yap fast

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Do you guys really think they would add a missile to replace Mavs, or is it pointless to even think about it?

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Yes, but there is no real missile (key word missile) that could do so

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USAF never have AGM-154C, only ever tested A and B.

Also there is SLAM and SLAM-ER, as well as HARM, AARGM, SiAW, for USA

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mb

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So a bomb can do so?

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Unfortunately Storm Shadows are a messy addition (and cruise missiles in general).

Brimstones would be more than enough with either SAL-Only Brimstone 2s or FnF brimstone 1s for now. But they could also heavily buff (mutiple outstanding bug reports iirc) the PGMs on the Tornados

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I mean yeah, GBU-53/B for america has IR seeker, glide wings, and GNSS. It would work just fine, but just wouldnt be fast. Otherwise IR/MMWR Brimstones could work for other nations, and other than that there isnt much other than cruise missiles, and as morvran was saying they would be kind of weird to add. Plus tornado can only carry 2x storm shadows, F-18 (im guessing) can only carry 2x 154C, etc.

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China has a lot of quick anti ship missiles, but in terms of ground/surface stuff they could get KD-88 and it’s variants such as A (IIR) and much more, but it’s the only thing I could think of that could be compared to the KH-38MT. They do have many other ground weapons, similar to GBU-53 and whatnot, but KD-88 is the closest one.

Another alternative, which could happen is that China themselves can get the KH-38MT via their Su-35, which it could get for balance (same thing happened with other EFT’s getting brimstones, not to forget other aircraft getting weapons despite the country not having those, but still being capable)

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That is good, right now they only have 2x x-29 for standoff at max and the rest is laser or GNSS (from what I know). With the anti ship missiles, I know some of them have IR, TV, or MMWR. Do you know of any that would be capable of targetting tank sized targets?

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Thats unfortunate, Pantsir would easily intercept them when they come in range.

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KD-88 most similar to SLAM or SLAM-ER

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The new J-11B can now have 4x (3x with the thermal pod) KH-29TE, aside from that and the 2x JH-7 KH-29T’s that you mentioned, yea that’s the only TV/IR stuff they got

I don’t think so, unless maybe if you get really close, which I think might be seen on the Penguin missile (note that I did not test that)

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valid, but once other countries get proper aa anyone will be able to do that. Additionally can pantsir intercept all these:

Additionally, those are all IR+GNSS with wings and have a crazy longs range. Once you get up to good speed and drop at good altitude, they can be almost as fast as mavericks anyway, plus they are smaller and so much more. Lastly with the crazy amount of stuff flying around in GRB, pantsir players may not even get them on the radar or just discard it as a chaff.

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So lock and launch 20 and then, and hope they hit.

I don’t know if this question is appropriate with the post but is Russia more advanced than US when it comes to Air-to-Ground missiles?

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Eh not really, just different doctrine and stragety. And additionally it isnt lock and launch 20, I mean with just a full payload of SDB II, you could practically wipe out the entire enemy team. Keep in mind russia only gets access to 6x X-38 at a time

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that IF they model them correctly, or if they did they would nerf them to the ground in dev server.

Anyways thanks for the infos.

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yep :)

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It was given that seeker to comply with RoE in IIRC Afghanistan, RoE requirements change so no its not common sense to assume all brimstones are DS compatible.

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So why would they remove that capability for later similar circumstances? Such as Op Shader which kicked off 2 years before the Brimstone 2 even entered service