Pantsir’s ability to kill helicopters is the same as all other SACLOS SAMs and it’s pretty bad at that.
And they don’t need SP to spawn a plane of their own ?
Looks like you’re applying different rules here for some reason.
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@WalletWarrior69
You can do that with IOG and guided bombs already.
You can also do this with Hammers.
How are GPS guided munitions game breaking? You’ve never made this argument before, so what changed in your mind? Soviets have GPS guided munitions that keep them save behind hills already, so it’s not Kh-38 which is inferior to GROM-2 and FAB-3000.
How is it now that you consider GPS guided munitions OP?
Are you extending the goalposts now that Kh-38MTs, Hammers, and AGM-65Ds are no longer OP?
And GBUs haven’t been OP since buffs to Pantsir?
@bertgame
Try 2000 pound GNSS GBUs. They’re rather effective.
Either way, GPS mode on Kh-38s are not new and are not the buff people think they are.
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show me what else than kh38 can be fired from airfield every ~40 seconds
Hmmm plane spawn 700…SAM spawn cost…70
How about you spawn a tank and stop farming ground with your broken missile
Others in Italy:
Huh, Italy has better GPS CAS capability than GPS guided Kh-38s.
Again, how is GPS guidance OP just now?
Safety from behind hills.
Yet you only complain when Kh-38s with their 540 pound bomb amount of explosive filler get this feature…
Both grant safety, one is significantly more effective against tanks than the other due to warhead size.
USSR already has better GPS guided munition than Kh-38…
@WalletWarrior69 Zunis and CCRP, which is what SRB players do in Harriers…
However, the primary argument is safety, which hills grant.
Edit: Amended 500 pound to 540 pound.
Also Kh-38MT is currently OP on live server because lack of SPAA.
The issue is that KH-38 is so much more powerful than any other air to ground weapon in the game. Most nations still have AGM-65 which is easy to counter with SPAA. The only other nation with a decent CAS weapons in France but AASM is not even close to Kh-38.
If a France main does well and can spawn a Rafale any Russian idiot that has 70 spawn points can counter it with Pansir. But if a Russian main does well and it spawns in a SU-30 the only way to counter it effectively would be spawning your own jet that requires a lot of points.
So USSR can counter CAS with 70 SP while all the other nations need 600 or 700. And even the new SPAA wil not change that because they can’t reliably shoot down Kh-38. The only SPAA that might have been able to counter Russia would have been SLM but it also struggles with shooting down KH-38 and even if it did counter KH-38 Russian could just spawn a MI-28
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Kh-38 has more explosive mass making it more dangerous
Bombs can work but are very slow and a sam like an ITO can easilly shoot them down
KH-38 was already broken before GNSS. It really didn’t need a buff.
Also those are bombs which are slow and need to be dropped relatively close to AO KH-38 is a 40KM Mach 2.2 missile.
Only thing you can compare it to would be AASM Hammer but than one is not Mach 2.2 and can be shot down with ease
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zunis and ccrp is nothing compared to kh38
so are these 3/4 JDAMs / paveways
you can literally shoot these kh38s from airfield and instantly rearm
its the amount of spam you can do with kh38 gnss that is the problem
even multiple SPAA wont be able to intercept that
also adding new features to a missile that should be partially removed from the game is cringe
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GNSS is not the buff for Kh-38 you think it is.
The better GPS guided loadout, and as safe to use as well:
@WalletWarrior69
You can shoot all GPS guided munitions from safety. Your argument is not new, it’s just repackaged.
All your posts [Wallet] doing here is defending Kh-38 with the arguments people used for GROM-1 [which is inferior to GROM-2], and GROM-2, GBU-31, etc.
just watch the video I sent, dude fires kh38 barely off the ground
spawns in at 0:07 and kh38 fired at 0:16
that is 9 seconds from spawn to firing
lands at 1:00 (44 seconds to land, could be much faster)
53 seconds from spawn to landing
there is no way this is inferior to a gliding bomb.
he fired them flying 280km/h and when they impacted they had 0.85 mach
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Warhead size is the primary thing that matters for GPS munitions except against SPAA.
Also you can do the same exact tactic in Rafale faster because of its superior TWR and generally lower weight for better braking.
“But the Hammer is slower.” contradicts the argument:
Every <53 seconds between Hammer volleys is the same difference in time as any other munition.
You shouldn’t have made that argument cause ripple fire reload is not new, and has been used for years.
Soviets are not getting anything new, they’re not getting something more powerful than is already here.
Kh-38s in GPS mode are still hilariously inferior to Kh-38MTs, AGM-65Ds, and IR Hammers.
Single-point launching is not OP. Just move.
It’s like saying Tornado IDS with its 12 1000 pound bombs are OP at 10.3 just cause they can be dropped safely.
Or Mig-23BN with FAB-500s and FAB-250Ms at 9.7.
Or IL-28 in China, Germany, Italy, USSR at 7.7 because it has 8 FAB 250s, 4 FAB 500s, or a FAB 3000.
GPS guided munition has less dispersion over standard bombs.
good luck moving your multiple vehicle system every 50 seconds because a russian brainlet spams kh38 on you
and you cant even intercept it because you will run out of ammo
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Rafale, Typhoon, F-15E, Tornado, F–15I, F-16C/D, Gripen, Mirage 2000D RMV, J-11B, etc are not new nor Russian contrary to your post’s implications, and could’ve been using your tactic [I know it’s not your tactic; I’ve been using these tactics in DCS longer than War Thunder has had GPS guided bombs] since day 1 yet have only done it a couple times, and no times in my matches.
Kh-38MT is OP on live server, and more powerful than GPS guided munitions ever could be.
The tactic is not new, and no where close to common.
Though it might get attempted more because SPAA is being improved so much that less effective methods of CAS might be attempted for Spawn Point savings.
Edit:
Hill popping is going to be the new strategy CAS will have to employ due to new SPAA.
This will see more people using GPS, and laser munitions with IOG and/or GNSS as backup.
It will require a new skill set to be effective without dying to SPAA.
The era of IR AGMs being OP is coming to a close.
Time will tell if GPS guidance which has currently been rarely used in ground matches is potent or not.
Based on limited experience, and tactics required, I believe GPS guidance will be semi-effective but not OP as any mistake will get launched on.
last time I checked kh38 slingers were immune to new IRIS, did it change?
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Is this rocket assisted? Because this is a free fall guided bomb! You need to take of and fly relatively high to make them arrive on target!
SLM got heavily buffed in range for dev.
SLAMRAAM and Spyder obviously exist as well.
@LoSpilotoITA
Bomb lobbing is something done in DCS at low altitude behind hills for safety, and something I’ve done a couple times in War Thunder myself.
Safety without needing range.
If one side is assumed to have a jet spawned, it’s only fair to assume other side has one as well. Game doesn’t stop anyone from spawning a jet.
Russia always regularly have jets first, they spawn a 2S38 cap a point/get a kill and then spawn a fully loaded Su-30/34
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No they really can’t.
All current AAs struggle to counter FnF helicopters, let alone jets.
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