Kfir C.7 Countermeasure Improvements

In this thread, I will be posting my research on several aspects of the Kfir C.7, as well as the C.1 and C.2. It is unfortunate that the most unique aircraft in the Israeli air tech tree is represented so indifferently, and I’ve come here to correct that.

Next, we move on to the Countermeasures segment.

There are plenty of images of Israeli and export Kfirs using additional countermeasure “buckets” specifically on the centerline fuel tank pylon.

These were 2, 30 round AN/ALE-40 dispensers per side for a total of 120 additional countermeasures on top of the 36 it already carried internally.

Here are more images on other Kfirs including C.7, Ecuadorian C.2, and C.1 (Canard).

C.7

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C.2

C.1

As for when these were introduced, it must have been quite early as the C.1 pictured is a pre C.1 Canard. Most if not all of which were upgraded to C.2 by 1978.

That concludes the Countermeasure segment.

Sources

“Mirage III/5/50 Variant Briefing”, by Paul Jackson, WORLD AIR POWER JOURNAL, volumes 14, 15, and 16

https://www.airvectors.net/avmir3_2.html

Terry Gander, Christopher Chant, Bob Munro, Collins/Jane’s Combat Aircraft. Harper Resource, 1995.

Breffort, Dominique; Jouineau, Andre (2004). The Mirage III, 5, 50 and derivatives from 1955 to 2000. Planes and Pilots 6. Histoire et Collections, Paris.

Gunston, B., & Spick, M. (n.d.). Modern Air Combat: The Aircraft, Tactics and Weapons Employed in Aerial Warfare Today. Crescent.

IAI Kfir: in IAF service

Flight International Magazine April 1979 Edition

Flight International Magazine August 1983 Edition

THE COMPLETE BOOK OF FIGHTERS, by William Green and Gordon Swanborough, Smithmark Books, 1994

THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WORLD MILITARY AIRCRAFT, edited by David Donald & Jon Lake, Barnes & Noble, 2000

If I find more sources, I will add them.

If there’s anything I can improve I would appreciate the feedback.

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Use this site for reports on historical issues: Gaijin.net // Issues

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When I try to post this there, it gives me this error message.

Failed to save issue data: Bad request. [EID: 47f82e33f99fc305a2542a38c777e539]

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Wish I had known about this sooner, great find!

Worth mentioning since it doesn’t seem to have been said in this thread already: those dispensers are the AN/ALE-40 chaff dispensers (gaijin allows them to use flares ingame) which are taken from F-4E aircraft. They of the standard caliber variety ingame capable of deploying 30 countermeasures each. They’re the same dispensers added to the Netz “Mod” ingame.

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Will the C10 have them too? I didn’t know that.

In theory all Kfir variants can use it, but the C10 has never been seen with them

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Did you make a bug report?

Yes I did. But it was immediately closed as a duplicate, even thought my thread had more complete information. At least the original post was accepted and passed to the devs, a year ago…

Crazy

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Hello everyone, I’ve had a reply ready for this thread for about a week, but of course le “you have insufficient activity to post” arised and it kept me from doing so.

So, here’s what I’ve found. I’ll be taking into consideration the Ecuadorian Air Force as one of the most notable operators of the Kfir (and the operator I know the most because I’m from there haha), this will make what I’m about to present a bit interesting, here are the findings:

Kfir C.2

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Kfir TC.2

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Kfir CE (C.10) [Active Service]

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Kfir CE (Rebranded as “C.2”) [Inactive, FAE Ceremonial Service]

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Kfir CE (Rebranded as “C”) [Inactive, FAE Ceremonial Service]

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https://youtu.be/1o9dr8OCan4?si=fC58VAnSJ_uLhLVO

Here is an entire video of a walkaround of FAE-909 one of the Kfirs that went through all the decommission states mentioned before


With these images taken into consideration, I wouldn’t be so sure to say if the extra countermeasures set can be fit on the Kfir C.10’s, as historical pictures of the CE fleet have not shown them with these on except after their removal from service and adoption as ceremonial or display aircraft.

One could argue that if it still fits after the C.10 upgrade therefore it still can be used, but of course one would need to prove that the C.10 wiring can support these extra countermeasures, I choose to believe it can as the C.10 upgrade likely kept compatibility with already available FAE inventory.

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