If Gaijin hadnt pulled the trigger themselves I wouldnt be for it to be honest.
If its the AJ you guys are worried about, its more than likely to be replaced by a Thai variant. As for an Indonesian SU-27 to be added, its an alright suggestion to keep but it should be placed on the back burner until the Thai subtree is fully implemented and even then I would only agree to it on the basis that its either a premium or something.
As far as I am concerned, ASEAN vehicles COULD be placed as an expanded Thai subtree but that should be in keeping with Thai vehicles. If it were up to me, the tree development would be Thailand → SEATO → ASEAN.
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Funny you mention additional Thai vehicles
Its probably posted here on accident but thats for the OP to clarify.
I’m glad Su-27 has official gaijin Indonesian camo, so there is a less chance that they will make another shitty move by adding Su-27 to Japan.
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I mean…
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Bro that’s like saying that the U.S should get the MIG-29 just because they bought 14 of those from Moldova
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That’s not camouflage by Gaijin.
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Doesnt take away from the fact there is a curated camoflage in a lootbox that is verified and distrubuted by Gaijin.
Also, the copied vehicles that were introduced in the Russian TT that got added to China: Type 62, Vietnamese T-34 SPAAG.
Market place camos are choosen by some incompetent stuff most likely from wt live that has no idea about gaijin plans nor has any proper quality control passing awful camouflages. And as I said, it lowers chance, not removes.
Its speculation that adding a camo to an existing jet lowers the chance of it being added to another nation. Theres quite a few case where it just isn’t true and next to no cases that prove it.
I’d accept almost any reasonable explanation to why Japan cant have an Indonesian Su-27 but an existing camo isn’t reason enough at all.
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Yeah, if you’re unhappy, just don’t play it.
Should you play Japanese TT while creating a virtual aircraft?
It’s just an abomination that came out of Gaijin’s C&P, ignoring all requests from users to make the XF-2A.
I’ve played a lot more Japanese TT than you
AJ is an outcome that should never have come out and created a very bad precedent.
I don’t like you, however, ignore that guy. His most successful jet is the Kikka and the jet he’s gone farthest with was the F-86F-40 so he has little info to provide since its clear doesn’t know what he is saying.
If we went by those same standards, imagine how many other Soviet planes the US could get in their TT…
(This should not happen lol)
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Imagine the U.S and Japan getting the Foxbat 💀 just because they seized it
US on their way to get Mig-15, Mig-17, Mig-19, Mig-21, Mig-23, Su-17/20/22, Su-27, Mig-29, etc
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I am quite happy with the F-16AJ. It’s a very nice plane, like all the other Block 10 F-16s.
It’s based on a real proposal and is on par with the other F-16As. I don’t see the problem here.
Even an XF-2A would be far too good to stay at the AJ’s battle rating.
I have everything but the F-15J; according to someone else here you don’t even have the T-2.
Gaijin has clearly said it was an EXCEPTION due to the lack of suitable vehicles to be added, not a precedent.
That’s quite unsurprising lol.
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Seeing that they will get more Thais’s plane and the F-2A in the future, this will be a no and won’t this just be another F-16AJ situation?
Not the guy you replied to, but I’d say “based on” is the real issue. The F-16AJ in War Thunder is often called a paper plane, but it isn’t. This is actually one of the rare cases where I’d say calling it “fake” is accurate.
The in game F-16AJ is based on three different F-16 types:
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F-16J; A proposed F-16A Block 10 to be exported to Japan. This competed with the F-14J and F-15J proposals and was ultimately rejected. To examine the aircraft a test flight was scheduled, however as the second F-16 was unavailable for the demonstration, the first was only observed from an F-4. This aircraft would’ve been nearly identical to an F-16A Block 10, which is why that is the airframe the AJ in War Thunder is based on.
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F-16AJ; This stems from a later proposal of an improved F-16J, incorporating improvements based on technology recently tested on the second YF-16A prototype. The proposal itself came too late to make a difference and the F-16 still lost out to the F-15. The brochure separates two different variants, the single seat F-16AJ and the two seat F-16BJ. The aircraft itself would be visually similar to the YF-16A prototype, but incorporating a slightly larger nose to properly fit the radar. It was advertised to carry TV guided missiles and bombs, as well as Sparrows on two pylons mounted on the landing gear doors. Photographs of the prototype also showed it mounting sparrows on the two outer underwing hardpoints as well as the wingtips, so it is possible these were intended too.
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The F-16A Block 15 ADF
Gaijin then took the F-16AJ proposal, decided to make a little “What-if” service aircraft based on it. Doing this they changed it up a little:
- They based it on the Block 10 airframe rather than a modified prototype. This was either a nod to the original F-16J or it simply saved them the time for a new model, with the earliest Block of F-16 functioning as a stand in for the prototype.
- Sparrows were now only carried on the same underwing missile hardpoints as the F-16 ADF. While it is possible the F-16AJ would’ve been able to as well, that is speculative. Meanwhile the confirmed gear door mounted hardpoints were removed.
- TV bombs were removed, likely to keep the US players in check by creating an artificial “drawback” to an aircraft that otherwise combines the best aspects of both US F-16As at the time.
This, while in theory not being too wrong (only a different airframe and different weapons from the actual AJ), seems highly improbable the way Gaijin has worded it. Their statement being that Japan “would’ve been contempt with the aircraft like other countries buying it”, the implication here being that Japan wouldn’t need the upgrades proposed to them, and would decide to downgrade to a more standard aircraft.
Meanwhile in reality, both the standard aircraft and the proposed upgrades weren’t adequate enough to fill the Japanese requirements. Furthermore, Japan has never downgraded a proposal before. While the F-15J lacks the nuclear bombing systems and US produced RWR, it was already proposed that way, that was not a change Japan decided after selecting it.
Even the F-16 based aircraft did adopt years later, the F-2, was based on the SX-3, an extensively modified F-16C Block 40 design. Was that then downgraded? No, it was used as the base for rather extensive further upgrades instead.
So, in conclusion, F-16AJ is not a problem at all, but Gaijin’s implementation of it very much is.
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