I used to do it in the other J-8 as well…
At the right speed you can avoid the nose and go nose to nose or wait in the others turnign circle so to speak.
They were simply bad pilots, there is no other way to discuss this. If you would like… I can demonstrate.
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Don’t know what to tell you
In Kfir, Milan or in this case J-8 MiG-23 does not scare me. That ML, MLD or even M will be able to outrate many aircraft they encounter is nice and all but outside of a duel mode with gun timer and so on that does not matter as much as some might think.
It is not enough that it outrates them, it is better than them in pretty much all aspects aside from the very low speeds and there it is still well-off. I don’t understand what you mean the J-8F has little to no way of beating a MiG-23 in a fair fight. You can try to show me what you’re saying if you’d like… but clubbing poor MiG-32ML premium noobs in air RB doesn’t mean the aircraft is of equal stature performance wise.
We can test it tomorrow if you want. Eitehr way in a random match MiG-23 wotn be the problem.
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Ultimately if he wants to kill you, he’s probably going to succeed…
If he’s lucky, ey?
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No, ey?
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No luck MiG-23 you say?
Right, it’s not necessary. Performs better so just needs a competent pilot.
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Knowing what to do certainly helps with all things in life.
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My primary issue with the J-8F is not how it moves, or how fast it is, or how much energy you lose in a turn. It’s the PL-8 - all the speed and g overloads in the world cannot help you if they go for every flare known to man at the BR range you’re going to be fighting at. I much prefer using the JH-7A in ARB, because at least you get PL-5C, and they do a much better job at ignoring flares once you get up close.
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The PL-5C has much worse flare resistance in all situations compared to the PL-8. This is easily visible when comparing the datamine, and in-game testing shows this to be the case as well.
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This plane is just bad because of the top speed alone, all the other stuff is secondary. You cannot carry in a plane that cannot run nor catch anybody. You also can never ever win a head on since you do not have any fox1, therefore are forced to merge in which you will lose against 90% of enemies.
Hmm, interesting. Nah, I don’t check datamines and all that hubbub. It was just going off what I felt in-game. I guess it probably felt that way due to the acceleration of the PL-5B/C at close range.
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pl5b/c is too fast that it cant make a response even it lock the flares but not the plane, then the it will shoot the enemy
If you actually play the game or any fighter more than 10 games outside of TestFlight you would be able to tell the PL8 is far less resistant to the PL5C
Btw can you show us exactly how the PL5C is worse in all situations and is easily seen in datamine please? It should be easily shown right?
Can you please show us how your “in-game testing” of the PL5C and PL8 flare resist was conducted? Any proof or experience playing any of these fighters?
You are correct they are much less flare resistant to flares than PL5C.
They did this to the Python as well.
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Neither feature any IRCCM to speak of, so it comes down to FOV and the PL-8 has a smaller FOV so would be the least likely to catch flares. But other than that in the same firing situation the PL-8 will always have the advantage.
Stats can be found here
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We already know why one is likely to catch flares. We know they do not have irccm.
I didn’t ask you for stats found on some google doc made by players with no official connection whatsoever to Gaijin entertainment asking for money and to let him know if he made mistakes.
So that’s how you guys know?? A google doc told you?
Additionally I asked @MiG_23M a question.
I asked him how did he conduct his “in-game test” to confirm this.
Will you answer for him here too?
Calm the attitude. The doc is the data from the files you’re welcome to claw through the individual files to look at the numbers yourself. This is just a much easier to digest.
The FOV information in the doc is correct to the game files and you can verify that yourself.
Maybe you employ PL-5C different which leads to higher success. But without IRCCM, FOV is the one thing that impacts any countermeasure resistance.
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