My main complaint about it are mostly focused on 1. its radar really sucks with 60 degree search and the slow scan speeds, also doesn’t help to have one of the worst BVR missiles. 2. It carries less missiles than Su27SM, so it is overall ‘worse’ in every aspect in comparison. 3. nothing to do with ARB, just that in GRB it is same BR as Su27SM and F15C, despite worse capability in antiair, and not having any guided bombs.
Just regarding throwing Fox3s at 25km range, it is still important, I generally throw a missile or two at 20+km just as a kind of gamble, although trying to get a kill in dogfight is still normal case. (I use J10)
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Don’t count on Gaijin adjusting BRs, the A-10C was introduced at a ridiculously low BR and many people assumed it would be adjusted in the live server and it didn’t.
The SU-34 is very likely to be implemented at 13.3 without change.
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The Tornado F.3 Late currently sits at 13.3
The Harrier SHAR and AV8B+ sit at 13.3
This Flanker is superior to both of these platforms.
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I’m a British/Chinese main and have played the SHAR FA.2 before and the regular Tornado F.3, both need to be moved down to 13.0 alongside the F-4F ICE. Two wrongs don’t make a right, just because these aircraft sit at 13.3 doesn’t mean the J-11A should suffer at 13.7.
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Its always a discussion of decompression.
I havent flown a Su-27 variant in game but do see alot of negative posts about the FM/Radar etc.
I agree we should lower aircraft that are suffering provided it is done accross the board.
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The Su-34 is also like 8 tons heavier for 1600kgf extra power
I don’t think you understand, the thrust of an engine can mean a lot even if the aircraft it’s placed on is heavy or not. The maximum speed of an aircraft will help extend the range of said missile placed on said aircraft and in this case the R-77 on the SU-34 compared to the RVV-AE on the J-11A.
An on top of this you have a significantly better “PESA” radar (not correctly modelled in-game) which far outperforms the mediocre N001 retained from the previous J-11/SU-27SK also found on the J-11A.
All of this adds up, the SU-34 is a overall more capable aircraft for BVR and especially when you take into account DL channels, the J-11A only has one to put that into perspective (practically functions as a SARH missile until terminal phase).
You can do goofy stuff at low speeds but beyond that its useless
Still a more manoeuvrable aircraft at closer ranges compared to the J-11A, the absence of a HMS will be a hindrance but this is made up by it’s insane amount of AOA potential.
The situational awareness found on the SU-34 is also not comparable to the J-11A as well, the SPO-15LM at 13.7 is a genuine crime and the UV MAWS is a hit or miss as it can be set off by nearly anything.
SHAR F.2 and AV-8B+ are both 13.0.
It goes far if you read what is being spoken in the discussion instead of reading just the tittle, I mentioned that the SHAR FA.2 should go down to 13.0 and the AV-8B+ can remain at 13.3.
“I’m a British /Chinese main and have played the SHAR FA.2 before and the regular Tornado F.3 , both need to be moved down to 13.0 alongside the F-4F ICE”
When I tested the Su-34 on the dev its not at all noticably faster than the Flanker probably due to added drag from the canards and larger overall body. In fact, it accelerates slower due to the lower TWR and loses more speed when turning.
Sure I can agree with this.
Its a lot more than a hinderance, its a detriment. The lack of an HMS makes it difficult to fire offbore fox 2s and quickly lock on a target. The AoA is good at low speeds but that’s it. What’s the point of AoA if you can’t pair it with HOBS?
The only thing I consider an upgrade from the Flanker is the radar.
Also I forgot to mention the Su-34 drinks a lot of fuel, like a lot. You’d need to bring like 40mins of fuel and 40mins of fuel on an Su-34 is heavy.
The FM of the SU-27 isn’t as bad as the FM of the SHAR FA.2, I have a talisman on that thing and love my Harriers, I’d kill to see it be moved down to 12.7.
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When I tested the Su-34 on the dev its not at all noticably faster than the Flanker
Acceleration is less irrelevant at higher altitudes where maximum speed is more significant, the faster you’re going the further your missiles will reach and with a faster scanning radar which will hold soft lock far better I’d consider the SU-34 a far better aircraft than the J-11A for BVR.
The RWR on the SU-34 and that being the SPO-150 can discriminate different types of aircraft, in BVR this is VERY important as you know what aircraft your engaging and what it’s good and bad at.
Its a lot more than a hinderance, its a detriment. The lack of an HMS makes it difficult to fire offbore fox 2s
And that’s exactly why it doesn’t sit at 13.3, you can’t have everything with a single aircraft or at this time frame at least. The J-11A does have the advantage of having a HMS but that’s really it (MAWS is more a** than helpful).
Also I forgot to mention the Su-34 drinks a lot of fuel
Good fuel management can get one very far, this is basically essential for most modern afterburning aircraft with few exceptions. The SU-34 is also one of the only and if not only Flanker variants which get a external fuel tank to levy this exact issue, funny you forget that part.
Nah, just most 13.7s to 14.0.
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Probably the best solution but I don’t see a BR increase from our current maximum of 13.7 taking place for a while. I’d argue 14.3 would probably be best as the 12.7 to 14.0 region is very congested.
Did you get to test the Su-34’s top speed? I assume the Su-34 has comparable top speed to the J-11A/Su-27SM because again the canards and larger airframe add drag.
Also acceleration will matter a lot with the Su-34. You’re gonna be dumping a lot of speed when turning.
Did you get to test the Su-34’s top speed? I assume the Su-34 has comparable top speed to the J-11A/Su-27SM
The SU-34 should have a superior maximum speed limit at higher altitudes and and a lower maximum speed limit at lower altitudes due to air density. If someone wants to prove me wrong be my guest, the other factors still make the SU-34 a comparable and if not superior aircraft to the J-11A.
Also acceleration will matter a lot with the Su-34. You’re gonna be dumping a lot of speed when turning
For lower altitudes were most fights take place sure but I’m not referring to that, I’m mostly talking about situational awareness, BVR capabilities and avionics.
This doesn’t even take into account the cockpit, the SU-34 is just a straight up better aircraft in simulator for both air combat and ground missions.
So when you encounter a missile I guess you’re just gonna fly straight? You’re gonna be notching and notching requires turning.
I guess have fun contesting high altitude against F-15E/Is.
I guess have fun contesting high altitude against F-15E/Is
You’re obviously not going to be beating something which sits at a higher BR than you, kind of defeats the purpose of BRs. Compare the SU-34 to something which also sits at 13.3 like the Tornado F.3 Late or JF-17.
So when you encounter a missile I guess you’re just gonna fly straight
Just tap S whilst you turn to sustain speed, this isn’t some secret formula which isn’t public to anyone but common knowledge?
Sure. Even a JF17 will annihilate an Su-34 in BVR.
What? That prolongs your turn and widens your turning radius. Youre gonna be notching/recommiting in 2-3 business days.
Have you flown the Su-34 in the dev?
Sure. Even a JF17 will annihilate an Su-34 in BVR
You must be kidding, the JF-17 is barely capable of Mach without disintegrating in mid air and has significantly less missiles than the SU-34 lmao.
What? That prolongs your turn and widens your turning radius
This is a BVR engagement, which part of that don’t you understand? That only matter within a sub 10km engagement which isn’t classified as beyond visual range.
But it also has PL-12s which is significantly better than R-77s. Also, you will always get uptiered, its relevant to talk about 13.7s. Thats just how it is, 13.3s will always get sucked into 13.7s.
I hope you know you cant force BVR the entire match. Its only effective for the first 3 minutes before people from below notice your contrail and start firing from all angles.
And I will ask again, have you flown the Su-34 in the dev? Because it seems like youre greatly underestimating how heavy the Su-34 really is.
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