Hello. I plan on eventually grinding both of these planes, but my question is which will have the better performance at top tier right now, focusing on air-to-air?
I am somewhat familiar with the basic characteristics, but wondering how they would stack up in a 1v1 air-to-air scenario and also the crazy chaos of air RB.
Thanks!
J-10A is for playing like a meta goblin abusing multipath and the games extremely generous notch/chaff effectiveness. F-18C is not a vehicle in the game.
I assume you mean the F-15C, which is overall a little better than the J-10A
J10 is a small very maneuverable plane with good missiles, a good radar, and an over 1-1 thrust to weight ratio. The f18c isn’t in the game but it’s slow, very maneuverable, good radar, and a shit ton of missiles. Basically you have to pick between being fast or just throwing tons of missiles.
I dunno, F/A-18C isn’t in the game.
With the J-10B rumoured to be coming soon, I’d say that’s going to be a top contender for the meta dogfighting jet aside from the Typhoon and Rafale.
Thank you, and sorry for the confusion…I was indeed talking about the F/A-18C vs the J-10A.
Even though the former is not in game yet, it has never stopped folks here comparing 2 aircraft before in game or not.
This seems particularly relevant since the leaks seem highly confident of the F/A-18 coming in next update, and presumably it is the C variant which in my mind aligns better in tech and capes to J-10A and not the also anticipated J-10B, which seems to be closer to early Eurofighter and early Rafale.
It seems like from the answers that the J-10s are probably more fun to fly in general than the legacy hornet with a bit less worry of being energy trapped even if it cannot fling tons of missiles.
My only real concerns with the J-10A are the low countermeasure count and the discussions on the forum about easy wing rips when pulling negative Gs.
Thanks again.
The j10 can dodge pretty much everything so you don’t actually need to bring chaff.
Yeah the J-10 wings will come off almost instantly under neg G at high speeds, not sure why but it only started doing it recently. I’ve also noticed that the radar can only datalink 4 missiles in tws instead of 6, not sure if it was always like that thought. F-18 should be a very competitive dogfighter, since it has crazy nose authority even at very low speeds, but its not gonna be a very good SPAMRAAM platform IMO, because of its low speed compared to the F-15/16
That’s a massive stretch to claim the F-15C is better than the J-10A.
its overall air to air performance? yes, it has 2 more fox 3s and they are better range than PL-12s which overall gives the edge to the F-15C
The J-10 easily notches them at the same time as guiding its’ own. The maximum range advantage is completely irrelevant, the AMRAAM is not hitting targets that the PL-12 wouldn’t also hit.
The J-10 is quite a bit better in most other regards.
2 less AMRAAMs just means it has less staying and killing power in air rb its that simple i’d rather fly the F-15C 9 times out of 10
J-10 suffers from dogshit acceleration when above mach 1, so even though the pl12 is marginally worse than the amraam, the amraam can be launched at significantly higher speeds, so the amraam will almost always outrange the pl12.
The AMRAAM can only be launched with such an advantage if the F-15 is not skimming the ground, leaving himself massively vulnerable to incoming enemy missiles and alerting everyone to his location. The J-10 can guide such ordnance from an 85 degree crank and defend anything coming his way at the same time…
The AMRAAM is not useful at ranges where these altitudes and speed advantages are going to benefit it. The only time kills like these are scored are on the hordes of unaware noobs flying premiums.
So yes, having more ordnance is beneficial for fighting your average Air RB ‘pilot’… which is why the Su-27SM is so good. The F-18C will also carry more ordnance which is why it will perform quite well also. The F-15C just isn’t what ChalkWarrior is saying it is. It will always just boil down to, “well I just like the F-15 better for arbitrary reason xyz”. My point is that his claim is not supported, and it won’t be. It’s just an opinion.
The F-15 is better in any scenario that doesn’t involve abusing multipathing, the J-10 just happens to be much better suited for the actual meta of ARB.
Again, no. The J-10 is better WVR, it has superior radar gimbal range for BVR fighting as well. When both are aware of each other, neither will die to a missile outside of visual range. Though, the J-10 is far more likely to survive than the F-15 due to the higher gimbal.
When it comes to visual range, the PL-5EII is superior to the AIM-9M and the J-10 has superior close-in performance. The F-15 simply isn’t better than the J-10 in any particular regard and the supposed benefits of being faster are not sufficient to outpace the increase gimbal range and notch capability of the J-10.
Sure this is true in a 1v1, but for actual live matches the speed and BVR capability of F-15 give it superior lobby cleaning potential over the J-10. For ARB in particular being able to spam more missiles from further away at higher speeds gives you significantly more opportunities to score kills in 16v16 TDM.
I already said this, farming the mobs is important. The Su-27 would be the king at this then, no?
I find that usually to just be a waste of missiles. They rarely connect, and when they do it is some premium noob and you can’t figure out which is which from BVR.