No… it really isn’t.
It’s basically a necessity for the health of the game.
I’m talking about when you’re flying low. Multipath is indeed real, but is exaggerated for healthy and enjoyable gameplay. I fly high every time too, yeah notching isn’t difficult. Just good luck doing it when everyone starts getting close. Multipath SHOULD be a risk, and a strategy, but should not be removed. I do not want stock chaff to be added simply because the vocal minority will begin the complaint train about multipath again.
I’ve seen so many people say the same thing before the multi path nerf.
Current game design is outdated and Gaijin has failed to improve it with addition of modern planes. Realistic battles is nothing but a glorified team death match in a small area. There is no realism in this. Modern planes don’t gather in a small area and start killing each other after someone says “Go!”.
That is a game design flaw.
Those people will be complaining no matter what. There is already a thread in the Dev Server category on it. Such topics are also created occasionally in regular forum topics too. Lack of stock chaff is a current problem. You linking this to that is just far fetched.
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i guess it wouldnt hurt but chaff isnt nearly as important as youre making it out to be. its honestly one of the last modifications i grind out and i only actually bother to bring chaff on planes with over 100 countermeasures, and seeing as im a china main thats not very many planes.
its kinda helpful but saying its needed is like saying you need flares at 8.3. they come in handy but theyre hardly required.
Chaff + Notching is a guaranteed way to evade ARH missiles, especially if you are in its MAR. Other defensive techniques like multi pathing are very situational.
This post is more focused on top tier where radar missiles are everywhere 2 mins into the match.
While notching and chaffing works, there are other ways to avoid missiles that work just as well.
And why would I not be talking about top tier this is a top tier thread.
Why not list them here? If you are flying at 3k alt and if someone fires a ARH missile at less than 10km (within the missiles MAR) head-on, other than notching+chaffing, what else can the player do?
Multi pathing is not reliable in all situations, going cold alone won’t help if the missile still has energy to reach you, using your missile to kill their missiles is a big gamble. I can’t think of anything else.
Aim at the ground and the missile tries to lead you and just slams into the ground. Works every time unless they’re like 2 miles away.
That’s just as reliable as multi pathing (or even less). Simply pointing down will not cause the missile to crash.
You need to be at a perfect altitude to fool the missile into ground while you can still recover and not crash after the missile has crashed. Pointing down means you are going towards the ground as well. This is just very situational. If you simply point down your nose at 3k alt, missile will do nothing but kiss you in ur face.
Works well for me. And if you don’t have chaff then you shouldn’t be at 3k in the first place.
😂 I’ve used this tactic several times and I know about its low reliability.
You said chaff is not important, now you say that I shouldn’t be using most of the map space if I don’t have chaff. What are you trying to say? Is chaff important or not important?
The map goes up to 90k ft. You’re almost never using most of the map.
Now, you just resorted to using technicalities since you don’t have a valid counter point?
Most players play at altitude up to around 7km from ground. You say that I should not be at altitude if I don’t have chaff.
I’ll repeat again. You said chaff is not important, now you say that I shouldn’t be using most of the map space (map space that players typically cover) if I don’t have chaff. What are you trying to say? Is chaff important or not important?
You lose the high altitude spam chaff and notch playstyle. You can do anything else. Just don’t do that one thing.
Notch+chaff is an almost guaranteed way to defend against missiles. Everything else is highly situational. That’s why I made the post. Not only stock planes are heavily disadvantaged in the offensive aspect, they are denied basic defensive feature.
In all your comments you never gave a reliable way to defeat radar missiles except “this works for me” and you were contradicting yourself. Your point your nose down stuff is highly situational too, I am not interested in taking a physics class here to explain that.
Edit: If you can, share a replay clip where you defend against few radar missiles reliably by doing that stunt, since “it works for you”.
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If you have a bunch of situational ways to defend against missiles then use them in those situations and don’t put yourself in a situation where you need chaff.
It’s that simple.
Theres no end all be all way to defend without chaff there’s just a bunch of situational ways that you use in various situations.
Current game design doesn’t offer that luxury lol. You will not be always provided with a situation where you can count on one of those gimmicks. There are too many players in a small area with a big engagement range and those are a lot of variables to cover for. Unless you play very defensively and go back to hangar empty handed in most of the matches.
Chaff doesn’t work 100% either, when you find yourself in a situation where it isn’t gonna work do you just give up?
Notch + chaff works 100% under pure missile guidance, that % does down if data link is involved but you can still fool the missile radar seeker once it is close enough by spamming a lot of chaff, it’s not 100% but reliable than the other tactics.
If we are talking about reliability numbers, multi pathing works 50% of the time, others are less than 25% considering how situational they are.
Multipathing works more like 90% of the time and seeing as I get a lot of kills on people flying high i doubt your numbers there.
False, it is highly situational and is only somewhat reliable on even surfaces like water. Radar missiles pose a credible threat even then if they are fired at an high angle.
WT sub-reddit and forums are littered with posts (direct or indirect) about radar missiles ignoring multipathing.
Here’s a proof Multi pathing doesn't always work! - Clipped with Medal.tv
I’ve had so many kills against multi pathers while I was flying high, They might dodge a missile or two but they always eventually die from an high angle shot.
Bruh, you seem to be negative K/D on 5/6 ARH platforms that you’ve played. Only if you hadn’t relied on multipathing so hard. I am the one who should be doubting your claims here.