F-104G on Italy flys like a brick can’t turn(34s) has 2 aim-9j’s(20g) and is vs most planes with aim-9L(30g any angle) or Russian/Chinese equivalent(30-35G any angle) times 4-6 and on aircraft that can do turns(24-26s) without loosing as much energy with flairs and have similar max speeds at 10.7. Then the Radar missiles with 20+Gs
Please explain…
G.91 pre-serie horrible aircraft, no AA missiles, no speed, barely turns
CL-14 mk.4 legit copy of the f-86A-5 and somehow it’s 8.3 over 8.0??? do i need to say more…
Extra bonus aircraft, F-86k Italian/German why has to turn engine off and air-brake just to make a turn, mig 15’s can fly better then it at 8.0…, at least with a CL-13b mk.6 you can turn fight and have similar speeds
G.91 Y (9.0) same thing though can turn kinda better then the f-86k nord AA are to iffy to carry just a hindrance tbh but 9/10 you vs mach capable jets with no way of catching them unless they turn into you and slow down. both these aircraft have nothing on a sea vixen or mig 17as if these aircraft look at you your dead… tbh every mig - 15+ are better in every way to these jets…
Over all these jets are painful to play and pretty sure a game is suppose to be fun balanced.
It can turn, but it just loses all speed when doing so. Personally, I think that the F-104s around that Br should either go down, or everything else at that BR should move up.
Players used that aircraft to mess with Gaijins balancing system and they succeeded, but it hasn’t yet recovered from that.
9/10 uptiers? No. It’s mostly downtiers. It’s OP honestly in my opinion.
wish i had your downtiers then cause all i get is 104s and mig 21’s lucky to ever not see them…
if your comparing it to the F-104G Germany then you can’t say it’s good it’s more like a AV-8 (9.7) with more speed at least the German version gets 4 missiles heck even the Chinese 1 dose par the flairs,
The BRs are too compressed to have them at different BRs in my opinion, and the Av-8 is not comparable to the F-104G.
The lowest BR plane with an all aspect missile in the Chinese TT is 12.3
the 11.3 J-8B has 2 radar missiles with well enough 20g’s but even then the 4 rear aspect 30-35g’s missiles are still way more powerful then 2 20g’s…
Use Hungarians if you are struggling with Italian jets, Gaijin added entire line to avoid decreasing brs of Italian planes XD
There are MiG-15bis, 17PF, 21MF.
PS I’m actually worse with stuff like MiG-15 compared to everything else, don’t like such armament composition and they feel too heavy compared to Sabres, though I’m far from a good player in ARB, especially jets)
all i can say is supersonic jets should not vs subsonic jets it’s kinda stupid to have and if anything should be a 1.0 br higher then any subsonic’s so you can rarely see them they added different br’s for tank battles and plane battles hurry up and change it already :/
Don’t use stat cards for this, they are inaccurate, you’re not wrong on the general idea though
While I am not disagreeing that g.91 pre serie struggles rn, saying it barely turns shows an extreme lack of knowledge
It isn’t a copy of the F-86A_5 but yeah it should be the same BR
G.91Y is extremely strong at 9.0 currently, like borderline overpowered
besides the fact they have a weapon that isnt an easily avoidable missile? while retaining similar flight performance in the g.91y’s case? kinda a big deal
??? G.91Y hands the MiG-17’s its ass
G.91Y hands the MiG-15 its ass
It was never the same BR as the F_86A-5 to begin with
plz explain :/ as i said it was just a faster version of it same missiles (giving 2Gs) same turning characteristics and has similar flair pool and yet a 104a is 9.3 and a av-8 is 9.7 then Italian F-104G is 1.3 br higher because it’s “speed” is sub par to a 10.7 jet ?
The Italian F-104G gets 2 decent missiles, more engine power, an RWR, a better radar, and flares compared to the F-104A.
The Italian/German F-104Gs are fairly comparable to the 10.7 Mig-21s in my opinion, and that is where they should be placed. Other F-104s around that BR could be moved down as well.
As for the Av-8, they have relatively mediocre flight performance, and them, being subsonic limits all Av-8s/Harries by a large amount. For example, the Sea Harrier FRS.1 is balanced at 11.0, and it has 4 Aim-9Ls.
What jets with similar capabilities are faster than an F-104 at 10.7?
what dose that even do for an aircraft with no radar missiles…? and doesn’t even do gun ranging…
don’t say italian and german aircraft are the same 4 missiles vs 2 is a big difference when most people averagely get 1-3 kills a game mostly from missiles when i’m lucky to get 3 kills when flying my 104g and see mig-23’s get upto 7 big difference :/ since all they do is have to look at some1 with them 4x R-60M’s and 2x R-23t’s and out class a 104g in every aspect
I’m just correcting your false statement, I’m not here to argue