The Derby missile not being a modification for the F15C and F15I:
As I was playing in the normal server and in the Dev, I found out that the Derby missile, an Israeli made missile for their on plane, is not found on the F15C and F15I.
The Derby (by the words of Rafael) is fully usable with both variants of the F15.
It would be much appreciated if you could add the Derby missile to the F15C and F15I.
I would really enjoy being able to use the Derby just for the fun of it. I find it to be a quite fun High Off Boresight missile to use until we get the Python 4.
(However I believe it’s unable to be mounted on the fuselage pylons and only the underwing pylons, so a minimum of 4 Derby’s.)
But we do agree that the Derby SHOULD be on the aircraft it was made for
i would love to have derbys on the sufa
Derby is an export missile. Israel doesn’t use it the reason it’s on the Barak is cause Barak was made to be compatible with all Israeli weapon systems
The Barak IIs have them because the Barak Is tested them, which is honestly a bit of a stretch as is and an even bigger once for Sufa. I myself could have sworn I’ve once read that IAF F-16s were made compatible with derbies but I’ve never been able to locate a source for that claim. For now IAF aircraft that haven’t been known to use a weapon or have details of their integration can’t use them. This means without sourcing no derbies for anything other than aircraft known to have tested them. It also means things like no spice bombs or Israeli missiles for the F-35I.
Well, for the Br of the Israeli F15 there should also be the I-Derby for the Sufa and the Kfir C.10, while the I-Derby-ER is added in the not too distant future.
I prefer the derby missile over the amraam i would love if every israeli plane gets either the derby or the i derby er depending on the br
Why does the F15JM have its own AAM4 with the same RB13.7, while Israel’s F15C does not? Even though these two missiles have similar performance, we should still raise this issue with Gaijin.
Simple, the F-15J tested the AAM-4, no Israeli F-15 has been seen fielding the Derby as it’s not apart of the IAFs inventory. The AMRAAMs are the IAFs only ARH AAM. The reason the F-16C/D Block 40s have the Derby is because Rafael used loaned F-16C/Ds (granted they were Block 30s but still) to be used as testbeds for them.
Dude all Israeli aircraft can use all domestically produced weaponry; in fact, I’ve researched it and even the F-35 Adir can. It’s the only country in the world that has negotiated with the US to allow this, and it’s not just about weaponry, but also some systems and avionics. Obviously there is only a few multimedia pieces of evidence, but on paper it is.
We need sources, please provide them so we can make a bug report. Make sure your sources are of the standard gaijin accepts as well.
Well, Gaijin’s standards tend to be quite ambiguous. Obviously, I understand that they aren’t classified or third-party sources, but for example, this document on pages 16/17 mentions the ALIS and ODIN projects (https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R46580/R46580.2.pdf), and I think it could be a good source that supports Israel’s ability to equip its aircraft fleets with its own technology and weaponry on American-made platforms. But there are more sources; you just have to look.
I did look along with the Shiryon archive members at one point, we found nothing to prove it, let alone full gaijin’s standards. Gaijin’s standard for sourcing aren’t absurd, but it’s definitely detrimental for nations such as Israel which doesn’t publish much material at all that can be used for reports.
Ah, but that would be a contradiction, because as far as the documents that could serve as sources for a given report are concerned, they are all classified, but that is precisely what cannot and should not be done. Therefore, a public document from the US Congress that literally refers to the Letter of Understanding that Israel signed with that great country allowing the use of “domestically manufactured weaponry and avionics” on most of the platforms acquired from the US will not suffice.
In conclusion, what common sense allows (without attempting to leak classified documents or photographs) and from our basic role as citizens who respect the laws (of governments and of Gaijin) makes it clear that all Israeli vehicles can use their own homegrown weaponry.
I must disagree, I and some others who delved into this with me are not convinced. Rafael made and tested those weapons for export after the AMRAAM sales, and that’s the munitions sole purpose now (IDF excluded). We have no proof it was integrated into any IAF fighter, and we know it needs to be integrated. All you’ve proved with that is that there’s an agreement for if they desired to adapt weapons the Air Force actually fields, such as the Spice series, or to test weapons (MANAT shenanigans, not always fleet integration).
Israeli companies have tested many weapons, most recently the Ice Breaker, and the Spice-250 before that. Only Rafael’s loaned Block 30s have been seen testing the Derby series, that’s literally it.
For the F-15I and F-16I to get them, we need either proof it was integrated into the fleet, or proof a single example tested it (a single example testing it will allow for it’s suggestion).
Yes, and we’re back to square one: evidence that’s surely classified but doesn’t address the obvious. Well, let’s hope that over time some evidence will be declassified that could be useful for a future report.
Let us hope