Imo, IAI Lavi is highly questionable since it’ll basically copy the premium netz armament, except it could carry 2 9m’s and some anti-ship missiles. Maybe as a marathon vehicle.
definitely not 9m’s my man.
yeah but why not get a tech tree version?
Because most of the players now if they wanna research tech tree they highly likely will by raam. Also, that additional turret armor mostly works on low br (merkava mk2d) where enemies aren’t that skilled enough. And the armor placement itself isn’t that effective like on mk2d. Israel already has consistent 11.3 setup (except some spaa), so hardly makes any sense adding more mbts here.
…but one is a lavi and the other is a netz
Surprised I never came across this thread until now, but since I’m here allow me to fulfill the aircraft section. First off the M-346s (Both Greek and Israeli), were never armed or capable of using live ordinance. The most the Israeli ones been seen with are inert CATM-9s and practice bombs/rockets. Only way either can come to the game is as skins for armed variants in other trees. Bought a book just to verify this, really sad sine it would have been a nice light attack aircraft, but can’t be added.
Anyway what’s the criteria for something to get added to the aircraft section? Need to be suggested/not suggested, or something of the sort, or just any aircraft that can be added to the tree? I got a big list of stuff I’ll gladly share.
The Lavi did not use 9Ms. Israel only received their first 9Ms in the 2000s which were meant for training and excess stockpile purposes (the old suggestion saying it had them is just wrong there). The only way it could get them ingame is the same way other Israeli aircraft got them which is “muh compatibility”, but I doubt gaijin will give it them anyway.
Yeah sadly discovered this way later after adding it to the list, but yeah also wonder if Gaijin would let it slide with this one
Any vehicles that are or not in the suggestion section, except the ones already passed to the devs.
For example, the Lavi its already passed to devs, so I didnt add it to the list
If a vehicle was unarmed, incapable of being armed, and never had any plans to be armed, then sadly it doesn’t meet the criteria to be capable of being accepted. Adding it would go against a lot of the rules they’ve established over the years, and creates problems… (EAP enters the room)
Wonder if maybe from another nation that have the M-346FA.
Its weird Israel not having one of them considering the Elbit and Rafael weaponry/technology in this platform.
Here are the Israeli aircraft that either aren’t suggested or haven’t been passed to the devs yet:
(divided by the ranks they’ll likely fit into, ask me about any of these and I’ll tell you what I know about them)
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IAI Arava 201 demonstrator. (Different from the Mexican one in the Rank I-III suggestion that it didn’t have a door mounted gun or Mighty Mouse rockets.)
IAF S.119 Sakeen (Early), & IAF P-51D (1948-1949). (Suggestion for P-51 exists, Sakeen does not. You can get a rough idea of what the earlier iteration sakeen entails through the D.108 suggestion by yoyo)
IAF P-51D-25-NA, & IAF P-51K-10-NT. (Suggestions exist)
IAF Spitfire D.130, IAF Spitfire LF Mk.IXc (CW), IAF Spitfire LF Mk.IXe, & IAF Spitfire LF Mk.IXc. (All different wing variants basically, none suggested yet)
IAF Vautour IIB, Captured MiG-17F, IAF TA-4H, IAF TA-4F, IAF TA-4J, & IAF TA-4J(H). (Suggestions for TA-4s exists, Vautour and MiG-17 don’t yet)
IAF A-4N Ayit Meshupar, Captued MiG-23MLD, IAF RF-4E, IAF RF-4E(S) Shablool, IAF F-4E (Early), & IAF F-4E (Late). (Suggestion for A-4N exists, rest don’t yet)
IAF F-16B-5 Netz “Mod”, IAF F-16A/B-10 Netz (Late), IAF F-15B Baz, IAI F-16B-10 4X-ACE, IAF F-15C/D Akef, IAF F-16C/D-30 Barak I, & IAF F-15A/B/D Baz Meshupar. (Suggestion for Netz B “Mod” and 4X-ACE exist, rest don’t yet)
As for Greece, only a suggestion for the T-2E exists, here’s the rest:
(divided by the ranks they’ll likely fit into, ask me about any of these and I’ll tell you what I know about them)
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HAF Gladiator Mk.I/II, HAF B-534, HAF Blenheim Mk.IV, HAF Blenheim Mk.V, HAF Potez 633 B2, HAF MB.151C-1, HAF PZL P.24G, & HAF PZL P.24F (Early/Late).
HAF Hurricane Mk.I Trop, HAF Hurricane Mk.IIB Trop, HAF S.M.79-I, & HAF Hurricane Mk.IIC Trop.
HAF SB2C-5, HAF Spitfire Mk.Vb Trop, & HAF Spitfire Mk.Vc Trop.
Captured Bf 109 G-6, HAF Spitfire Mk.XVI, & HAF Spitfire LF Mk.IXc.
HAF F-84G, & HAF RF/F-84F.
HAF F-86E(M), HAF Tested G.91 R/4, HAF F-86D, HAF TF/F-102A, & HAF TF/RF/F-104G.
HAF F-5A/B, HAF NF-5A/B, HAF A-7E/TA-7C, HAF TA/A-7H, HAF Mirage F1CG, HAF RF/F-4E, & HAF Mirage 2000EG/BG.
HAF Mirage 2000EGM/BGM, HAF F-4E AUP, HAF F-16C/D Block 30/50/52+, & HAF Mirage 2000EG/BG-5 Mk.2.
HAF F-16C/D Block 72+ VIPER, & HAF Rafale EG/DG.
Neither of these actually got built, did they? It’s a shame because imo they look much better than the production Sabrah
The Pandur II Sabrah (the wheeled one) and the ASCOD Sabrah (tracked) are under phill army service right now. They were built. Well actually the Pandur one still not delivered and its uncertain if its gonna get cancelled or just delayed.
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I meant with the designs shown in the renders. The render ASCOD variant IMO looks better than the actual production version.
I didn’t know the wheeled one was built, neat.
I think the Mexican one it the only armed version. If not please send info and pics about this plane, didnt know it existed.
Isnt it S.199? I been searching about S.119 and nothing. The S.199 Early already passed to devs.
Would like more info about them, and the difference with the vehicles already ingame, like if its just a better engine from an aircraft already in the TT, I think its not worth it.
Not considering Greek vehicles without Israel or Israeli companies participation in this list yet.
Uhmm well the vehicle its the same, the philly army just changed the camouflage and added some extra armor on the sides.
Aside from that, should be the same as the render.
The turret is different
I guess it looks less pointy, idk if its bc of add-on armor
This is not the case, Not only were Colombia ones armed:
But the prototype 4X-IAB displayed by IAI at an airshow, which I believe was the first prototype, was armed as well with SNEB rockets and the 12.7mm gunpods:
There’s footage online of it testing munitions as well (can’t remember where I saw it, but here’s a screenshot from the video where it’s testing rockets):
Typo, ignore that lol
Although some aren’t different, they’re worth mentioning and can come to the tree. The unique ones are as follows:
Netz B: could be given Aim-9L for its top AAM and serve as an Israeli F-16 at 12.3, which it could use.
Baz B: could be given the Python 3/9L for its top IR AAM and be at 12.7 before the (ahistorical) 9M equipped Baz A.
F-15C/D Akef: before the Baz Meshupar upgrade they were regular F-15Cs without Aim-120s, but uniquely they got DASH HMD and Python 4s later down the road as well. Nice potential 13.0-13.3 depending on if it gets radar HMD modes or not.
4X-ACE: suggestion makes its self explanatory.
Barak I F-16s: Lighter aircraft, although not by too much. They have the best possible dogfighting airframe of any F-16s that could come to the game as I’ve been told. They could also act as earlier F-16C/Ds in the tree, having early weaponry since they were acquired and retired before their Barak II counterparts.
F-15A Meshupar: could just have earlier weaponry than the F-15C Meshupar, like a difference in AMRAAM and Python variants they use, paired with the different airframe/engine combo.
In that case sounds like none work. The F-4E AUP almost worked since IAI contended for the program, but they ended up being ruled out due to relations with Turkey. It does use the Rafael LITENING TGP tho, and their F-16s do too.
The manufacturer and main creator is an Italian company, just because Israeli ones supplied parts, avionics, and it can use some Israeli weapons doesn’t given them much of a claim over Italy. Italy would always have the larger claim there just because of that, and gaijin doesn’t bend the rules in these cases, as of now that is, hopefully someday though.
Wasted 30 min of my life searching for S. 119…
Just to end with a video with also typo error…
Interesting gonna add it later