Is there any form of MLU package for the Trigat/Pars or did Mdba drop the missile in favour of Eurospike, also they need to add the German H-145M with it’s spikes, that’d be great since everything needed is in the files
Some are, like the Degem Yud.
Here are some rank 3 vehicles for Israel that ARE unique, granted many of which are SPG or TD but medium tanks at this BR would be local Sherman variants.
Zachlam DEFA 90 mm
M113A2+ FSV (CVR (T))
L-33 Ro’em
MAR-240
MAR-290 Episkopi 1
Sherman Degem Yud
RAM V-1 TCM-20
ML-20S Roe’m
Zil-157 MAR-240
M4A3E8 122K60 Ro’em
AMX-13 LAR-160
M-50/51 Project-T
Zachlam TCM Mk.3
Rascal (L/39)
PUMA C.E.V CARPET
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More then 3 years H-145 in files…
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m3 half track with a different gun, just like every other Zachlam.
m113 with a scorpion turret really, this is something even the british did with bulldogs and fox turrets
is there anything thats actually built in israel you can use? this is all other nations stuff rehashed, thats not uniqueness. I know that israel didnt exist until the british left east palestine but there has to have been something that was actually homemade
Most MBTs aren’t required to go in extremely urban areas basically all the time, so their levels of CE protection and usable angles of protection don’t need to be nearly as good.
Define significant.
Thinking Merkavas are protected against DM53 and similar rounds just because they exist is foolish, especially when looking at their neighbors’ ground fleet.
It’s like you want to have a gun that’s able to down an elephant in one shot, while living in Switzerland. You pretty much have no need for that.
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I prefer this. Yeah , didn’t really full realised (for economical reasons,but it can make it capable UHT (KHT) at least great self-defence against something flying : Tiger KHT: Germany's Best
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The doctrine of mostly domestic products didn’t exist until Israel Tal became commander of armour in the IDF
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really this just shows that israel should have just been a USA subtree as they simply canot support themselves as a full tree.
Erm, no?
Israel is far too large to be sustained within a US tech tree, far too much would be sacrificed for the sake of ‘israel is not unique enough to be a nation’ which isn’t true anyway
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Yea and they are bad
We need normal fnf more so when other nations gets strong fnf
there were 2 mockups and i beleive 1 of them was prototyped… information is scare though
there was a PARS 3 SAL (laser guided) with around 10-15km of range
and a PARS BACKIMAGE which i really dont know why they made it because it looked the same as the standard one. i assume it could have MITL guidance
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It would be interesting to add more early tanks to Israel. For example, the M4A1 75mm, the Cromwell, the half-track with the French 90mm cannon, the M10 with the French 75mm cannon, the M4A1 76w, and the M50 Super Sherman. Then from era 5 onwards, in Br 8.3 the Tiran 5S could be added with the M111. I would also add the M413 for the Magach 6M and the Shot Kal Dalet. In Br 9.3 I would add the Magach 7A, with the M413 ammunition and with the revised composite armor. The Magach 7C would be upgraded to Br 9.7, giving it the correct composite armor. Then the Magach 6B Gal Batash would have its Br upgraded to 10.0, adding the M428 and giving it the correct composite armor. The Merkava 2D would have its Br upgraded to 10.3, giving it the M428 and the correct composite armor.
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What even is this claim? It is unique, made by Israel and would be lightyears away from a M3 GMC. This is just dirty talking about a cool vehicle.
…Made by ISRAELI COMPANY Elbit Systems…
Like, the rest of the pretty long list I sent here? Posting again, in case you somehow managed to forget:
L-33 Ro’em
MAR-240
MAR-290 Episkopi 1
Sherman Degem Yud
RAM V-1 TCM-20
ML-20S Roe’m
Zil-157 MAR-240
M4A3E8 122K60 Ro’em
AMX-13 LAR-160
M-50/51 Project-T
Zachlam TCM Mk.3
Rascal (L/39)
PUMA C.E.V CARPET
Shermans and another M3 isnt unique
The usage of a Sherman chasis deos not make vehicle copy-paste. A Sherman-chasis based 155mm SPH is unique, a Sherman hull with 240mm rockets is too, and even a regular Sherman that has superior mobility and protection with a lower profile can make it play differently, like a T-34.
Temper your behavior.
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Norway got their mosquits but isreal didnt, very xd if u ask me
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The problem with Israel is that if you want to use very low-Br tanks, you have to copy and paste them. 75-caliber Shermans and Cromwells, reconnaissance vehicles like the Daimler Scout Car or the Humbert AC, as well as Israeli-modified models like the M3 half-track with the Tetrach turret, the 6-pdr, and the French 90mm cannon.
I’m not against copying and pasting if there are no other options. The only thing I would ask is that you look at real photos and change whatever you can in the 3D model, such as removing or adding fenders or anchors, etc., for example, changing the crew bags, removing fuel cans or relocating them, as well as spare wheels, tracks, etc., making them look like the models in the real photos in service with Israel. I hate copy and paste when they are exactly the same even in the 3D model, and especially if you can add a similar model, like for example Germany was given the M44, when they could have used the Brummbar late model instead.
In theory, the leopard 2 will never fight DM53, so why would they design their tank to have significant KE protection?
The lack of KE is entirely conjecture based on nothing but theoretical scenarios.
We know that the armor is SLERA, which at the beginning of development is stated to offer KE and CE protection.
We know the armor is modular and especially thick on the turret.
We know the CE on the turret has taken Kornet missiles (granted needed replaced since the SLERA was shreded but armor degradation isnt in war thunder).
This is all we know with relative certainty.
In war thunder, the KE modifier values on the SLERA composite is extremely low. Worse than aluminum. This does not make sense given the available information says SLERA does offer KE protection.
Do I think it could stop DM53? Probably not everywhere on the merkava 4, but maybe the turret front thickest SLERA panel. BUT, this is entirely based on no known information.
However, I do think the KE protection should be better than it is in game when compared to other material KE modifiers.
That is it. What would be the worst that could happen if it had turret armor and a breach weakspot like every other top tier MBT? (Except ariete because RIP italian boys).
it was promised to them 3000 years ago
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