I found new photos of this prototype, the most curious and strange is the one with the star of David in the paint
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I found this photo of the F-5 Plus carrying Python 4 missiles, on the nose of the plane you can see that it has F-5 Plus written on it. Probably while he was in Israel the Python 4s were also tested.
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The only known photo of the two-seat F-5F Plus (Prototype) during testing in Israel, with the Star of David visible on the tail. I got the photo just yesterday.
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Considering that a good amount of Python 4 images exist on it, wouldnt it be a good idea to add the missile option to the post?
It is feasible since there are images that show that they used them, I have tried to be conservative since I try to compare this version of the Chilean F-5 with the Thai F-5s in the game. Just having the Python 3 is already superior to those of Thailand, plus it has a better radar and better RWR, imagine with the Python 4 hahaha. With the Python 4 I don’t even know what BR could give it
we really need another F-5 fr
If it had an HMD (I’m still unsure if it had it or not) then it with Python-4s would make it a crazy high BR, probably 12.7 or higher IMO.
Ngl the F-5E Plus would be decent at 11.3 or so, given the superior radar. Rwr, increased missile count, etc etc.
Also, as a sidenote, if the wingtip missile rails could use Python-4s, is it possible they also integrated Python-3s onto the wingtip rails?
Regular old AIM-9Ps (i haven’t found anything of if chile upgraded their 9Ps to P-4s or P-5 standard) would make it kind of subpar compared to the FCU or SCU (when they finally give the SCU its underwing Python-3s) as both have all their missiles as all aspects, with the only downgrade for both of them (If the F-5E Plus had an HMD) is the worse radar and RWR, as well as the lack of HMD for the FCU.
Overall seems like an alright vehicle :D
I think it’s about time to add it to the suggestion as a poll. I too would have like to have this as an earlier non Python 4 variant, but many others may not. The radar, 4x Pythons, and better RWR would likely result in it sitting .3 higher than the Thai F-5E FCU (and if the TCU doesn’t get its 4x Python 3s as well, then .3 as well, but they would be great counterparts if it gets them since it would act as a tradeoff of the HMD for the better RWR and Radar). Ofc if gaijin wanted to, they could add the F-5F Plus as that instead, who knows, but a poll would be nice, and it should be included in the armament section regardless. Another idea could be adding the IAI F-5+ prototype as its own separate aircraft for Israel, limiting it to Python 3s and adding a Chilean F-5E+ with Python 4s into the game at a higher BR (whenever it may sit).
Another question: Which AGM-65 variants would Chile have had access to at the time of this modernization, and what would they have had access to after it?
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If it has Python 4 on the wingtips it is logical to think that it is also wired to fire Python 3, so you could arm it with 4x Python 3 if you want, that is why it would be better than those from Thailand that can only carry 2 at the moment, although as I said before the best radar and the RWR would perhaps place it in BR 11.7, regarding the AIM-9P these are P3 since it is easy to differentiate them from the P-4 and Chile did not use P-4. The HMD came years later when Chile continued to modernize them and they had the name of F-5 Tiger III plus, there the Dash III helmets were acquired for which this early version does not have an HMD
I think they operated the AGM-65G idk if they used it on the Tiger III+
I didn’t want to add the Python 4 because these come as standard in the improved version of this aircraft called F-5 Tiger III Plus, which adds the derby and the Dash III helmet-shaped HMD. But I think I’ll add that survey somewhere to see what people think about the Python IV in this fighter.
This is precisely the suggestion you are referring to. The two prototypes sent to Israel are the ones used to advertise the Israeli F-5 package, although they are Chilean. It stands to reason that an agreement was reached between the two countries, and that is why it has the Star of David and the IAI logo. The advanced version with Derby and HMD is the one in my other suggestion, and that fighter is for 13.0. This one here, with Python 3 only, would be 11.3 - 11.7.
This would have AGM-65B, which all F-5s have, the most advanced F-5 Tiger III Plus has access to AGM-65 F/G
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which country had the f-5e with fox 3s? i thought it was israeli because i swear it had derbies, could be mis remembering tho
Thailand, Brazil, and Chile all had F-5Es upgraded to mount the Derby BVRAAM. Singapore allegedly upgraded their F-5Es to mount AMRAAMs but its yet to be definitely proven to my knowledge.
I guess the U.S. counts if you count of F-20A’s ability to fire the AIM-7F.
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But that also adds the derby, which does change things. A F-5E+ with and without Python 4s would be really nice to have.
This is a big here me out:
I’m aware of all that, we cleared that up back when I asked why this wasn’t in the Israeli section. However my opinion hasn’t changed, I do believe the prototype produced/tested/marketed by IAI in Israel, should come to the game in some capacity represented while they were in use with IAI. I think the aircraft in service with Chile could be a different aircraft ingame with different capabilities (I know this is all wishful thinking, but let me dream please lmao).
Now I would like to ask: When did Chile equip the Python 4 on their F-5s, was it pre or post F-5E III? It was definitely a part of the Tiger III, but I’m wondering if Chile used it in any capacity before then, like what is seen on the F-5E+ Prototype, or if this is something only seen on the F-5E+ prototypes while they were in Israel testing them?
Essentially I’m wondering if we could see something like this, with 3 variants ingame rather that the potential 2:
(Ignore the Israeli flag, just for reference and distinction)
I know it’s a stretch, and that gaijin might not want to add the prototypes as separate variants given their functionally identical, but to me I feel like they should given they’ve demonstrated the capability to use a weapon the service variants didn’t, and an armament difference is enough to warrant seperate vehicle ingame as we’ve seen in the past. (Excluded the F-5Fs cuz they’d act as 2 seat counterparts at identical BRs). I also feel like this would satisfy both parties and their interests of F-5E+s with/without P4 capabilities.
Do you mean all F-5Es had access to them, or all Chilean F-5s had them? Because that’s not the case for these ones if they weren’t present in Chilean service. Compatibility and accessibility are two different things, and it’s the reason many vehicles ingame don’t have armaments/loadouts they are in fact compatible with. Any chance Chile had the AGM-65D around?
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Thailand has yet to be seen using the Derby, and haven’t bought the missile. The radar should be capable of guiding it, iirc it’s the same one on the Brazilian F-5.
I was really interested in this myself, but I’ve come up empty handed looking into it. I don’t think it can use the missile sadly, even though the radar is said to theoretically be capable of guiding them. The Chilean and Brazilian F-5s are the only ones to ever be seen with ARH AAMs it seems.
The Chilean F-5E upgrade could probably be added under the Israeli TT instead just like how the Brazilian AMX is under the Italian TT since its co-developed.
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In 1997 the Python IV and DASH III helmet were officially used and in 2002 the Derby were tested and standardized. That is, it was 4 years after the prototypes arrived from Israel to Chile.
The Python 4s on the F-5 Plus were seen while in Israel, you can tell by the paint scheme. They were probably wired and tested after Python 3 before being sent to Chile.
I think that if you want an F-5 that is, so to speak, “pure Israeli” you could use the F-5F Plus, the only thing you would lose would be a 20mm cannon, I think that gaijin could include the F-5E Plus (11.7) in the Israeli tree to research along with the F-5E Tiger III Plus (13.0) and leave the F-5F Plus (11.7) as a squadron/premium/event vehicle. If they added two F-5s from Thailand in the same BR without major differences besides the armament, I don’t see why they couldn’t do the same with the F-5 for Israel, and the F-5 Super Tigris from Thailand is still missing, so that would be three F-5s for Thailand, then Israel could also get three.
The truth is I doubt that the F-5 Tiger II and consequently the F-5 Plus would have had access to the AGM-65B because I have never seen photos of that missile from those years in Chile, I include it because gaijin usually adds all the standard armament to the F-5 even if they have not used it in service with the country they represent, for example I do not know if Thailand had access to the AGM-65B in its F-5s that were added to the game but they are also available to be used in WT