This about IS series reload:
And this about Tiger II reload:
It’s all about probability and size. It’s way easier to work around the mantlet of Tiger II than to work around angles of IS-2 1944 turret. Yes, Tiger II turret is more reliable in general. IS-2 is way more frustrating. All thanks to “great” penetration mechanics of the game that allow 45mm T-34-41 turet front to stop 8-9 90-130 penetration shots in a row (me and Pz IV were unloading on it from a few hundrsd meters) because every single one struck mantlet edge or barrel edge.
IS-2 moves way faster, so IS-2 gets more random bounces as it’s way easier to hit accuratle an object crawling vs IS-2 hauling a55 in reverse :E
I understand, stupid bounces in the game have become one of the biggest problems in the game because they are happening continuously, something that didn’t happen so often before.
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Well, imagine the FV4005, Centurion AVRE or the M728CEV, which thanks to the disastrous modeling of the HESH ammunition, you constantly have shots that do no damage, or do ridiculously low damage.
except the t58 where it’s HESH actually works
It’s strange that it works on one that reloads in 2 seconds. I actually tried it on the test drive and it seemed like just as bad a HESH as the others, but of course, the test drive has nothing to do with the damage on the server.
Yep, it is also premium, except the t58 all hesh only overpressures when it hits a plate less than the he penetration, it doesnt matter if the roof is 10mm, they wont overpressure
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I have more trouble with the volumetric on the Tiger 2 than the IS-2 myself, but then I’ve played the IS-2 more so that probably skews it a bit, and like I mentioned before its far more frustrating when it happens with a ~20 sec reload vs ~7 sec.
Not even getting started with THAT bag of worms
If you are having difficulty with a 100mm turret, idk what to tell you. A tiger 2 88mm nearly can’t fail to pen unless you get to the edges of the turret. Meanwhile, the US 90mm APHE strugges with the tiger 2 mantlet just on pen numbers alone while it pens the is2 with no problem.
Tiger 2 turns faster, is2 accelerates slightly faster. In terms of mobility, they are nearly identical. Also, because the off center turret of the is2 it bounces far more when stopping than the tiger 2.
I have trouble with 45mm turret even while using 102-140 penetration guns and you apparently don’t understand the volumetric + flawed penetration mechanics issue, so just go away.
IS-2 turret front is a small target that will produce a ton of random bounces. Tiger II has good reload, so that’s not a huge issue. But this whole “but muh turret is paper” is as true as a claim that T-34-41 has 45mm turret front and thus is an easy kill. It’s not.
US 90mm indeed has to use APCR to ROFLpen Tiger II. Or Ferdi. Or Jagdtiger below 600. Yeah it will very likely not be a 1-shot. But it’s a reliable way of taking these out. Vs IS-2 1944 indeed 90mm is doing better, because it can penetrate the turret. Still, I do not trust a turret shot vs any Soviet tank with overlapping mantlet. And IS-2 1944 has the upgraded turret where there is more volumetric wizardry going on
Just take it’s LFP armor and move it down to 6.3.
This thing’s flaws restricts your gameplay by a significant amount and having a good shell isn’t really enough of a compensation for it’s woes.
With the m82 or any aphe you can just aim to the right cheek there’s no overlapping on there at all, it is basically the same armour as on the is 2 as only the left side got the extra armour. If is a
Buff the reload and remove the APCBC and we’re good.
15s reload with overpressure one shots is still very effective.
T32 also reloads in 15s and there’s barely any room to load that super long cartridge case.
Which is funny, because the T26E1-1 somehow has a faster RoF with it’s giant one piece ammo.
Like what’s the point of seperate loading when it didn’t actually improve RoF?
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Wut?
As far as I know even 10.5Cm Tiger 2 doesnt have that kind of heavy shell.
gaijin uses reload as a balancing thing hence why the reload is so gimped historical accuracy for reloads is not there top priority
I think he wrote “shell” but meant “cartridge”. Pzgr 39/43 weights about 10kg. Case + propellant adding another 11-12kg is a reasonable assumption.
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I meant rounds, not shells.
I know, and I do agree. It makes sense as an abstraction for a wide variety of reasons, not least the fact that in War Thunder we reload in the most absurd situations (you can literally jump off a cliff after firing and your loader will still be dutifully reloading the gun).
I mean, this Jagdtiger is reloading:
But since the discussion was about the IS-2 underperforming, you are in the convenient situation where you have historical grounds to buff the reload if you feel like the tank needs a little bit of help, and that’s always a nice thing to have.
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Projectile mass is 10.2kg.
I don’t think entire round still weights around 22kg.
IMO IS-2 1944 can safely get f.e. 17s reload aced (can be further reduced to the historical 15s if it doesn’t overperform) while retaining the B shell and everybody would be happy IMO. B shell makes a gigantic difference due to insane angled performance. If it was to go, normal shell should get a bit higher penetration. Anyway, some buff is entirely reasonable.
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