I had doubts in a previous post so went and bought the T58. Already had the Turm. T58 is a busted shit stomper if there ever was one. 6 round autoloader with heat that has that level of penetration…its too easy.
Turm is a glass cannon and even random 20mm can kill it…T58 however, jesus its the final boss of 8.3. Only issue I have seen is it gets hit and nearly every time gunner or autoloader breaks but considering how fast you can fire…nah its busted. Shot up 6 tanks for 6 kills in less than 20 seconds yesterday.
It need to be moved up to 9.3 at a minimum. Turm I think is ok just due to how easy it is to kill.
Also side note…the damn Maus need to be moved up also to beyond 9. 128mm and 88mm with armor a dart from a 105mm with over 300mm of pen breaks or bounces. It way to heavily armored for most tanks to take head on and even on the sides.
Screw you, fight a 1960s prototype with a main gun that was relevant until the 2000s, and has a coaxial machine gun thats identical to the gun on one of the most toxic SPAAs in the game. EVERY SINGLE MATCH
and dont worry, you can easily pen the armour, too bad its 90% empty space so nothing will be disabled
7.7 to 8.7 are currently still compressed as f, half the things didn’t even have stab vs fully stab, not to mention some still using ww2 ap on top of not having stabilizer vs fully stabilized DM23 lol British also one of the biggest offenders to have a olifant at 8.3, fully stabilized, dm23 with lrf against things like t32 and is-3 lol
its crazy that it was added without the 3 plane stabilisation.
instead they gave it a rather unfitting turret ring when it just had some bearings around the place. really any hit to the turret bowl should probably disable the elevation and horizontal as it would warp and dislodge it.
must agree the olifant is a bit odd being only 8.3. but at the same time it has no business being the same BR as a mk5 chieftain (if they had made it right at least)
however turm 3 being a mix of leopard 1a2 and falcon at makes the olifant look like it should be 7.3
Only issue is it’s slow as f, just like chieftains, wouldn’t be able to tell which one is better as they are just really close in terms of overall performance, I could argue that Olifant might be a tiny bit better than both the chieftains at 8.7 except for hull down turret protection, but the mk3 and mk5 unlike the mk10, doesn’t have enough turret protection against most darts in this br. Note that at 8.3 we also have some POS like T95E1 and M48GA2 lol
the mk5 chieftain has 10hp more at the same weight so are basically the same. mk3 is lightyears behind in performance.
however similar to centurions they are steady no matter the terrain. im much happier doing 25mph everywhere than being screwed over by bumpy land in a fast tank that cant deal with it.
yea the chieftain turret is ok but far from unkillable. the mk10 can still be roof scraped by 9.0 tanks btw, stillbrew didnt make it invincible despite what some people argue.
if below wasnt so compressed those tanks (and mk3 chieftain) really should be lower than its current BR peers
It does? It’s got a Laser rangefinder. Dm23, better centurion mobility , loses the side skirts but got the extra plate on the hull.
So it’s a mk10 hull.
The oli mk1 should be the samw BR as say the shot kal dalet i think it is, the tecy tree on.
Or maybe its the gimmel but its 8.7, same round, same optics etc no thermals.
The Turm III is everything the Leopard 1 wants to be but actually better.
Both are basically paper armored vehicles that rely on speed and firepower but the Turm III has the 5s reload the Leopard 1 needs, a stabilizer for much faster firing while on the move and a 30mm coaxial that can easily kill all the light and fast vehicles that could be dangerous for either tank.
The Leopard is ok at best but there are so many vehicles that are effectively better without having to play like a tryhard every match.
