Is the T58 and Turm III a little too strong at 8.3 and 8.7

T58 isn’t a fake or paper, it’s a prototype that existed in steel, was tested and subsequently scrapped when heavy tanks were deemed obsolete. There literally is a picture of the fully assembled vehicle. It completed tests (how else would anyone know about the issue with the mufflers), it was evaluated and we have concrete documents proving this.

But don’t compare it to E-100 that literally didn’t make it fully off the drawing board. Or the Ho-Ri that was literally just fabricated from IJA documents describing the requirements for the tank.

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How much prototypes?

Doesn’t Gaijin have a rule for prototype vehicles? I remember something about them but idk what was it.

Btw i hate when Gaijin adds prototype vehicles that didn’t fight/see combat and just existed to test weaponry or technology, also ignoring their issues like the Maus which would have broke it’s own transmission half it’s way out of the garage.

Why do people still think the T58 is a paper or fake vehicle?

The first image that now pops up on the left in a simple Google search shows the completed hull + turret T58 real prototype:

Harold Biondo already officially debunked the T58 as a ‘fake’ or incomplete vehicle back in 2020
With this image that showed the turret now placed on the T43 hull itself without the gun:

Even the original mock-up model photo of the T58, before the aforementioned leaked images, had people questioning for years if it was really a mock-up due to how oddly detailed it looked compared to other mock-ups:

It’s literally a real tank that was fully built and trialed, a prototype tank, yes. But a real tank.

image

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so it was only 1 prototype with 2 different turrets or 2 prototypes? I hear the turrets had dismountable parts to fit the autoloader since it was proporcionally massive to accommodate it.

bruh

The depressed furry isn’t a good indicator on what’s good or bad.

Statshark is though.

The AMX-13 and E100 are CLEARLY OP tanks . . . according to statshark.

That is if you miss their context.

Which means statshark too is unreliable. You needa stop thinking every American vehicle in the game is OP.

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Again, yes if you miss the context of the data you’re seeing.

Which you clearly are.

Says the guy taking E-100 as an example to prove something.
If you don’t see how E-100 isn’t comparable to T58 or Turm III, then we have nothing else to talk about.

Idk why you’re so intent on comparing E-100 to T58 but go ahead. Point still stands that skilled players playing a tank doesn’t make it OP.

E-100 is actually played by skilled players due to how it’s obtained.
T58 and Turm III don’t really share that.

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Turm III is actually strong.

T58 was strong, but after the nerf it’s above average at best. Its stats of leftover from it’s short time of glory, and from the pros that still play it.

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How was it nerfed.

HESH got bugfixed IIRC.

When ?
HESH can still nuke things by just hitting a single pixel of their tracks.

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This week if I remember rightly, still got a non penetration on a BMP3 somehow earlier xD

Any link to that ?