Well it has 400mm pen HEAT, which if rebuffed to 1.67 postpen levels would be quite good already. Pair that with 1.69-grade HESH postpen, modern overpressure from HESH that big, optionally also overpressuring APCBC-HE, and maybe in the future adding the T30’s M107 HE to it, I could see it going from 9.3-10.0 depending on if it was given a stabilizer, as @Flanker_Thunder posted about how it’s basically a fake tank (so snail could put whatever they want in it).
I likewise feel the same about rebuffing any and all other nerfed munition types, because nerfs at the end of the day help no one. They should only be an option of absolute last resort when adding new counters to the problem vehicle or enhancing an existing counter has been tried and failed miserably. Doesn’t matter whether we’re talking big HE, HEAT, HESH, APCR, APDS (both early & late), all aircraft weaponry, etc.
At least the Turm 3 is far less debatable - it’s already insanely high fire rate, has the Falcon’s gun as a coax which no other tank has, and I’d wager with rollback of old nerfs that long predate it, as well as giving the coax a 50/50 APDS/APHE mixed belt, that thing could easily be 9.3 if not 9.7, where only the lack of thermal vision would be an issue. And Snail could give the thing thermals if they wanted because it was a funny one-off prototype.
T58 isn’t a fake or paper, it’s a prototype that existed in steel, was tested and subsequently scrapped when heavy tanks were deemed obsolete. There literally is a picture of the fully assembled vehicle. It completed tests (how else would anyone know about the issue with the mufflers), it was evaluated and we have concrete documents proving this.
But don’t compare it to E-100 that literally didn’t make it fully off the drawing board. Or the Ho-Ri that was literally just fabricated from IJA documents describing the requirements for the tank.
Doesn’t Gaijin have a rule for prototype vehicles? I remember something about them but idk what was it.
Btw i hate when Gaijin adds prototype vehicles that didn’t fight/see combat and just existed to test weaponry or technology, also ignoring their issues like the Maus which would have broke it’s own transmission half it’s way out of the garage.
Harold Biondo already officially debunked the T58 as a ‘fake’ or incomplete vehicle back in 2020
With this image that showed the turret now placed on the T43 hull itself without the gun:
Even the original mock-up model photo of the T58, before the aforementioned leaked images, had people questioning for years if it was really a mock-up due to how oddly detailed it looked compared to other mock-ups:
so it was only 1 prototype with 2 different turrets or 2 prototypes? I hear the turrets had dismountable parts to fit the autoloader since it was proporcionally massive to accommodate it.
Says the guy taking E-100 as an example to prove something.
If you don’t see how E-100 isn’t comparable to T58 or Turm III, then we have nothing else to talk about.
T58 was strong, but after the nerf it’s above average at best. Its stats of leftover from it’s short time of glory, and from the pros that still play it.
